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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 17:55
When you reset Feature Vote?
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When the current update is completed and released, whichever is at the top of the vote will become the next update, and then the feature vote will be reset.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 18:07
Quote: "When the current update is completed and released, whichever is at the top of the vote will become the next update, and then the feature vote will be reset."


I thought Lee just resets again after the release to see what’s next, knowing me I read it wrong again .

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:06
He'd have to make the top one the next update after the current update is released then reset it, otherwise he'd have to wait for people to vote before he can start the next update lol

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:09 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 19:11
Quote: "whichever is at the top of the vote will become the next update, and then the feature vote will be reset."

Umm No ...
Its reset and that's it ... the point is to give time for a fresh vote and allow lee time to carry out any fixes on the update.
Last time I think he gave users a week or so to get their votes in ..

Quote: "otherwise he'd have to wait for people to vote before he can start the next update lol"

Exactly ... This gives him his fixing window
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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:19 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 19:27
Quote: "Umm No ...
Its reset and that's it ... the point is to give time for a fresh vote and allow lee time to carry out any fixes on the update.
Last time I think he gave users a week or so to get their votes in .."


Then what was the point of us voting this time then?

We haven't had a selection from the list since the last time it reset, he reset it after choosing DX11 last time, he hasn't reset it since then, does that mean this whole set of voting since the last reset was just a practice run? lol

If he was going to reset it after every update, then give people time to vote again, then he should be disabling voting except during the periods where votes actually count, otherwise it's misleading, especially when people are being told to "vote for it" when they make a request, they're being mislead into thinking their vote counts, when it only counts at a certain point in time at the discretion of Lee's resets, and they could miss out on their votes because the board has reset and they didn't know to update them.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:27 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 19:30
Quote: "Then what was the point of us voting this time then? "

Non at all ... The amount of times I have added to voting posts informing users complaining to ignore whats top now as it will be reset once the update is released and you will have to vote again .. like this one ...
https://forum.game-guru.com/thread/218713#msg2587009
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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:34 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 19:35
here are Lee's exact words on the reset....

Quote: "posted: 6th Jan 2017 21:44 Edited at: 6th Jan 2017 21:45
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Wow, 100% yes so far I also like the idea of a reset after every voting board feature update - it ensures the board is extremely reflective of the needs of current users who make a point to push for their favorite feature. My roadmap will have to be fluid enough to include these shifts in preference after each update but I don't think that will be a problem and I will be insisting on adding my own core updates throughout the year for essential items."


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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:39 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 19:39
Quote: "Non at all ... The amount of times I have added to voting posts informing users complaining to ignore whats top now as it will be reset once the update is released and you will have to vote again .. "


So you are admitting that the vote system (if it is what you say) is a stupid pointless way of doing it that actively confuses people and makes it likely that they miss their votes because of when the reset happens. Good to know.

Surely the best way to do it would be to choose whatever is top of the list, then reset and let it run until the update is finished, then choose another, reset, rinse repeat. The time he needs for fixes doesn't need to sync with resets, he can reset have a couple of months fixing then start the update.

Keeping the voting going in a continual loop of choose reset, choose reset, and not breaking it up with periods that voting is pointless is just plain common sense, otherwise there are long huge periods where nobody needs to vote because they'll just have to vote again, it's less confusing, and not so misleading. For example, right now I was under the impression that AI would be next as it is at the top of the board (unless a sudden influx of votes knocks it off which I would be fine with), however if it turns out that there is a reset first after spending months voting already I will be extremely peeved and annoyed, because that's just not the way it should be done both logically and using the slightest iota of common sense, it's misleading and just wrong.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:42
Quote: "If he was going to reset it after every update, then give people time to vote again, then he should be disabling "

Not really as it gives you an idea of what may be wanted next ... Those who voted 6 months ago and may have left will have to vote again .. Back in September it was ...

Standalone Multiplayer
Improved Character Creator
Free player app for non GameGuru users

We need 100% fresh votes after every update to be fair ... So many may have left, Joined or changed their mind after 6 months
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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:48 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 19:48
That would ONLY work, if the voting system was disabled between periods of voting, otherwise most people would be missing their votes because they've already voted and don't realise their votes aren't counting. As I said it's misleading, and needs to be more clear.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:49
Personally I would like AI to stay on top,although there have all ready been fixes it would be great to see it improved more .

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:51 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 19:52
Personally i'm not bothered what's at the top, as long as I know my vote counts (i'd only be annoyed if it wasn't AI because of the cack handed system rather than real votes), but if it's how syncro says it is then there are huge long periods where it is pointless to vote, because you would need to vote again when lee resets, the voting system should at the very least be disabled during periods where votes don't count so that there is no confusion.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:52 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 19:57
Quote: "That would ONLY work, if the voting system was disabled between periods of voting, otherwise most people would be missing their votes because they've already voted and don't realise their votes aren't counting. As I said it's misleading, and needs to be more clear."

Ironically you were there Belidos when Lee asked the question .. And you voted for it ..
https://forum.game-guru.com/thread/217987

Quote: "Personally I would like AI to stay on top,although there have all ready been fixes it would be great to see it improved more . "

And this is the point ... In 3 weeks time it might not be so this way you get chance to vote for it again
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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:53
once again,,for those that missed it or didnt WANT to hear it,,,
notice LEES,,,EXACT words on the subject..as i also quoted above,,,,

Quote: "posted: 6th Jan 2017 21:44 Edited at: 6th Jan 2017 21:45
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Wow, 100% yes so far I also like the idea of a reset after every voting board feature update - it ensures the board is extremely reflective of the needs of current users who make a point to push for their favorite feature.


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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 19:57 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 20:00
And as he said quite clearly .... "the popular opinion is that we should RESET THE VOTES after the top item has been completed" .. that doesn't mention whether he is taking the top item and making it the next update before or after the reset.

Quote: "And this is the point ... In 3 weeks time it might not be so this way you get chance to vote for it again"


Or completely miss your vote thinking your current vote counts.

I have no issue with resetting the board, it's when the board is reset I have issue with. He either needs to choose then reset and have it a continual looping cycle, or reset, have a vote for a fixed period, choose, then disable voting until the next cycle starts.

Quote: "Wow, 100% yes so far I also like the idea of a reset after every voting board feature update - it ensures the board is extremely reflective of the needs of current users who make a point to push for their favorite feature."


Again, the reset is not at question, whether it is chosen before or after, and the huge gap where votes don't count in-between, that is the issue.

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 20:03 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 20:04
Quote: "And as he said quite clearly .... "the popular opinion is that we should RESET THE VOTES after the top item has been completed""

Followed by ...

Quote: "My question to you all (even those that really really want Water Control), are we still good to reset the board and allow a fresh run of votes to determine what the next feature in GameGuru will be?"


I don't see the problem ... Just know that after every update the voting is reset ..

It will be announced by Lee just like last time and we voted for DX11 rather than what was there ..." Water control "
There was no issue back then ?
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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 20:11 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 20:12
Again, re: your second quote, there is no specification that the update isn't chosen then the vote reset.

Last time, he chose DX11, then reset the board, and there hasn't been a choice since the reset. So of course there wasn't any issue back then.

again, if there will be a reset then a period of voting then a choice, then the voting board needs to be disabled in between voting periods to avoid confusion.

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Back to you corners boys,first round is over .Its Christmas .

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 20:19 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 20:21
Quote: "Last time, he chose DX11, then reset the board, and there hasn't been a choice since the reset"

No we voted for it ... Here is the link..
https://forum.game-guru.com/thread/218021

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 20:45
Erm first line of the first post there, clearly states that he chose it from the votes "clear victory for the Rendering Engine Overhaul scoring over 7000 to the next nearest with 2078" lol

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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 22:22 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 22:50
Quote: "Erm first line of the first post there, clearly states that he chose it from the votes "clear victory for the Rendering Engine Overhaul scoring over 7000 to the next nearest with 2078" lol"

Correct ... You pretty much said it yourself
He chose it from our votes after the reset .. it was at the top of the list and the Terrain Import Maker with 2078 was second ??
Before the reset it was " water control " which we all agreed ( including yourself ) to reset and vote again completely fresh...
As you can see in one of the threads above Lee already knew this but was double checking before he hit the red button ..
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Posted: 24th Dec 2017 23:22 Edited at: 24th Dec 2017 23:23
Just wait for him to press the button lol Have a good Xmas guys go find some grog
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Posted: 25th Dec 2017 00:35 Edited at: 25th Dec 2017 00:36

a reset after every voting board feature update

Lee's words......not some words taken from a Sci-fi novel

Nuff said ?
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Posted: 25th Dec 2017 10:58
Quote: "a reset after every voting board feature update

Lee's words......not some words taken from a Sci-fi novel

Nuff said ?"


Still no mention at all of whether he chooses the next update before or after the reset.


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Posted: 25th Dec 2017 11:33 Edited at: 25th Dec 2017 11:33
Quote: "Lee Bamber : After the engine overhaul goes out, the voting board will be reset as per our policy so all bets will be off when this happens. "
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