Product Chat / How Many Users would like to See Max CC be more than just fantastic.?

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PCS
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Posted: 19th Apr 2021 21:12
Ok so i have just requested this on Github to Improve Max CC.



I would like to hear how many of you guys out there, would also like to see Max's CC to be more than just an good CC.
Please respond if you are serious about this.

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GubbyBlips
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Posted: 19th Apr 2021 21:29
Hi, PCS.
Well, sure I think a majority voice would be happy to see the CC flushed out and expandable.
Will TGC manage as many plug and play parts as will make us all happy? I don't know. At least
if it is expandable by users then that's a big portion of the feature, and I think (and hope) that
several people might make CC kits that can be acquired on the store-- or some kind of market.

Back when Lee asked about a "100 Character DLC" -- that sounded pretty good, but hmmmm...
think about it, even those 100 characters will become what is familiar in games, and if there was
some kind of issue with the models themselves-- no easy fix, would have to re-work them over
in the modeling software. Now if there's a glitch in Character Creator, then bugs could be fixed,
which should then fix ALL possible models, and that is almost limitless if there is at least 7 or 8
major categories with a dozen choices each. So back then; I voted to expand Character Creator--
and here we are. Waiting upon the future.

Almost wish now the 100 character pack was an option today... but anyhow. I'm certainly still
for a robust, flexible and highly customizable CC.
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Posted: 19th Apr 2021 22:32 Edited at: 19th Apr 2021 22:36
How long would you be prepared to wait for this super-awesome-does-everything character creator? 2025?

EDIT: I do sorta agree the character creator could offer far more versatility if rather than simply giving us pre-made pieces to slot together, it instead (or as well) gave us some sliders to control facial attributes. Having said that, I think it's totally unrealistic to expect TGC to develop this with its limited resources. Maybe it's an update for further down the line, which is why I originally asked how long you'd be prepared to wait for such a tool?

Alternatively, they could just make it easier for the community to contribute 'pieces'. A few talented artists would be able to bolster the selection of characters available hugely.

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Posted: 19th Apr 2021 23:58
When we have some TGC guidelines about it, so then, maybe I'll be ready to answer you, as deserve.
But no, I do not wait for some sort of metahuman in GGMax, at least no atm, although I would like it.
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Posted: 20th Apr 2021 00:56
This would be a whole project in itself.
You would be better off asking for Make Human support in some way which already has the capability to do what you request and is a standalone free application.
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Posted: 20th Apr 2021 01:05
I would like to see it an open source tool.
Then the community could develop it to a better state and TGC woud have more time for the game engine itself.
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Posted: 20th Apr 2021 07:16 Edited at: 20th Apr 2021 07:18
I can't see CC being anymore than it is i.e. you won't see the ability to modify mesh e.g. muscle shape/size, finger lengths etc. Thats a major project within a major project. Use MakeHuman or similar for that, why re-invent the wheel, it's already out there, go and invest in other 3rd party software. At the moment, I would rather see some game mechanics/working terrain instead of bells and whistles like the CC, that's a "nice to have" but not essential. CC should be one of the last things that needs to be worked on, but that's my opinion. My assumption is each developer has been assigned a specific task, but is under the cover at the moment.
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Posted: 20th Apr 2021 08:38 Edited at: 20th Apr 2021 08:42
No, absolutely not, this is a game engine, not a 3d modelling/character modelling program.

I'm all for them refining it and adding features down the line, but you need an engine that works before you start adding frills, this is typical of the misguided requests that started rearing their heads when GG added the voting board, it got out of hand and slowed down development then, don't let that happen this time around.
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Posted: 20th Apr 2021 11:15
Quote: "I'm all for them refining it and adding features down the line, but you need an engine that works before you start adding frills, this is typical of the misguided requests that started rearing their heads when GG added the voting board, it got out of hand and slowed down development then, don't let that happen this time around."


totally agree,
TGC in their defense tried to put the direction of GG classic in our hands after lots of requests and arguments, they spent at least 3/4 of a year on the EBE which was not an engine essential and many other not engine essentials, the voting board was part of classics end failings in my eyes, they took on far too many options, and what was always coming to the surface was not totally needed, they had not cracked single player, world systems, and they all wanted shooting enhancements and multi player extras
8 years later no funds and pulled the plug
i tore my hair out for 5 of them years and waited patiently.
so my view is
i would love what PCS as requested, but not until all that's promised is done. after the request board i am all for stop requesting till its completed End of.
TGC need to say nothing is up for negotiation or request till we have a stable first smooth all promised engine, this included extras on the grouping and stuff, it was not essential. but it was starting to go like the old days, lets just add this, i think you need to deskill max so my G.Card can use it. etc. etc. so
get a smooth all terrain weather lighting physics etc and all what they have said will be in. then they can do requests or even have a side project of character creator advanced which can buy into from someone capable who is not on the engine, im sure lee knows plenty who can make the ultimate CC whilst all carry on with the engine

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Posted: 20th Apr 2021 17:12
"more than just fantastic"?

Usable would be enough for me!
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Posted: 20th Apr 2021 18:25 Edited at: 20th Apr 2021 18:28
Max is still way off being useable and has a long way to go. Requests like this are not really useful at the moment. I understand the reasoning, but I sometimes feel like I'm in Battlestar Galactica when I see these requests; What has happened will happen again. I really want Max to avoid losing focus on the important part, the ability to make games, good games, without worrying all the time about it crashing out for some reason.
I'd love the CC to be way better, but not at the expense of the engine itself.

Edit - Oh there is one thing I have noticed that for certain needs some improvement. The hair looks awful at present. plastic and nothing at all like hair.
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Posted: 21st Apr 2021 00:42 Edited at: 21st Apr 2021 00:42
Quote: "Edit - Oh there is one thing I have noticed that for certain needs some improvement. The hair looks awful at present. plastic and nothing at all like hair."

Ye the hair isnt right , Its been much better in previous builds

Quote: "I really want Max to avoid losing focus on the important part, the ability to make games,"

Agreed lets get the thing up and running first before adding more pressure.
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Posted: 21st Apr 2021 18:34
At the end as long as we can get the best possible CC for Max that would be worth waiting for it.
I know Lee and the Team are doing the best they can.
Thank you for that.
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Posted: 22nd Apr 2021 00:29
Quote: "No, absolutely not, this is a game engine, not a 3d modelling/character modelling program.

I'm all for them refining it and adding features down the line, but you need an engine that works before you start adding frills, this is typical of the misguided requests that started rearing their heads when GG added the voting board, it got out of hand and slowed down development then, don't let that happen this time around."

What Belidos said.
Make a game engine - everything else is outside the engine

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