I got game Guru A little while back, and I was just trying to use this kind of like a hobby thing,But now want to get a little bit more serious about making a video game ,So I just wanted to ask one thing is this program a serious program or is it just for people that want to do a hobby?, what kind of power does it have? is it capable of making a game lets say like Resident Evil 2 are Silent Hill for psx

It’s what you make of it.if you have only just got into this sort of thing it’s a perfect start.As you will find out .

Dave

if you're a talented scripter, some ps1 games might be possible. a not-so-amazing replica of crash bandicoot has been made. when it comes to first person shooters, if you're making anything with quality, chances are it will be too underpowered to sustain more than a few short levels of it before things stop loading on everyone's computer.

the engine in its current state is fraught with bugs and numerous issues which make producing a SERIOUS SERIOUS game nigh impossible: mainly the rudimentary AI, inability to customize menus, lack of capacity for large detailed areas, and in-general poor final-game quality and frame rate.

Gameguru's great to have fun honing your level design skills, or making something cool to show your friends, and if you get really good, you might even make something that will earn you a few bucks. You won't be capable making the next half life 2 with it.

yeah if you want to make something serious looks instead in unreal engine or unity but forget game guru.

I believe you can make a 'very serious' game however (and it's a large however) you have to have a varied and deep skill set to do it on your own and a huge amount of patience, tenacity and time available to work through and circumvent some engine aspects that won't necessarily work for you.

If you can model, code in lua and hlsl, create music, create and develop engaging game play and story, test effectively, market and support the finished product you could make an engaging and professional game. Menus, AI, shaders, player controller etc are all open to change if needed but not features 'out of the box'.

Of course if you can do all of this you should also consider other engines that are understandably more advanced and often more complex given the number of person years they have been in development.

If you want to try your hand at game development especially of the FPS variety and gradually build up your skill set and knowledge then there is nothing better than Game Guru.

I started over 4,000 hours ago with early versions of GG and aim to finally get a serious game out next year. It will (does already) have a custom first/third person controller, can play as male/female, use sky hooks for fast transport and gameplay, custom AI, can fly airships (a completely open sky level with no level end and procedurally placed islands and objectives), drive cars, explore underwater levels in submarines, the shaders are custom for post processing and terrain effects. Assets are custom (most not built by me but have been changed to fit story board and a lot of time needed to make these work successfully (especially animated FBX imports).

Starting to ramble, but yes truly believe you can make a serious game if you are very serious about it . If you are in game development for the long haul I would suggest you check out unity and unreal too before committing to an engine.

Cheers.

Agreed, if you are willing to put time into learning some lua, then you can make your game a little more unique and not just a generic, shooter, there are lots of great assets in the store, if you cant model or create music or effects. GG is very simple to use, unlike unity or unreal. Once some long standing bugs are crushed, eg: broken standalone issues and some save game issues, we will see some amazing games from this ever increasing and talented community

Two people can have the same set of paints and tools but only one may be a Picasso

I totally agree with the people that say that GameGuru is a serious game-making tool. Like with any games engine, what you put in is what you get out.

I'm still a relative noob when it comes to GG, but I was able to knock this scene out in less than a day.

GameGuru is an awesome engine!

The question is not 'is this a serious program'. If we were going strictly on program capabilities, I'd 100% say it's not.

The question, with gamedev, is 'are you a serious person?'.

The fact is that Game-Guru can make games. It has a lot of problems. These problems will have to be worked around. There are a few successful examples but mostly you are going to find it useful as a rapid prototyper.

When you actually get into the publishing phase, it's not an enterprise level tool like lumberyard or UE4. Nor can you expect it to be. It's made by one person. However:

- It costs little to start
- Assets cost little to obtain
- There's a massive store of free things on this forum and elsewhere
- Assets are easily placed/manipulated (so easy, my 7 year old has been working with it regularly since he was 5).
- It's graphics quality as of current is on peer with 2002-2005 or so (better than some indy game engines cough cough game-maker cough)
- The terrain system can make some good work if you put some time into it.
- It uses Lua reasonably well
- Lua is fairly easy
- EBE is a huge step towards functional indoor environments that are rapidly assembled (like FPSC)
- Fairly knowledgeable and close-knit community (even though some are very rightfully bitter)

So in short it's a low cost, low cost, did I mention low cost? Gamedev platform. Heck, even the most expensive asset lists on the store will give you more than you can possibly dream of in an engine in like UE and we have some pretty good artists here. They make the most of the limited engine, as do we all.


Negatives:
- Dated graphics engine (currently being upgraded to DX11 and PBR)
- Bad AI... ok let's just say it's atrocious for the zombies and bad for the rest of the stuff. I personally hope it's the next agenda item resolved.
- Inconsistencies in compiling; compiled games often don't work the same as they do in test game mode/development mode. You often have to tweak compiled games
- Awful load times for compiled work (supposedly being fixed in the next patch, praise the lord)
- 20000 poly limit on models
- The character creator has so much wasted potential it's unbelievable. Seriously guys, make some models for it!
- EBE has some bugs (notably continues to draw terrain and objects that should be occluded)
- Bugs. Bugs. Bugs. Weird issues that you have to hunt down.
- Slow pace of updates. Lee takes his time.

So.. up to you! Good hunting

It's 23k limit on animated models with bones, it's considerably more for static models.

so much humility. I'd wait to call myself picasso until I had actually released a painting we could play.

anyway yeah, time in=quality out, but if you're looking to create a game with hours and hours of gameplay and robust lighting effects, and not have to cheat your way around ludicrous constraints by shaving precious texture resolution and animation frames off of your characters, you might consider looking elsewhere. anyone around dimonixil (and his gang?)'s level of talent would be completely capable of working in another engine, and if a super high quality game is what you're trying to make, you might have an easier time approaching the level of quality using a more "professional" or "industry standard" tool

Far as I know Syncromesh isn't in Dimoxinil's gang

Although I bitch a lot about this product that is really down to frustration with the slow pace of a one man development team behind it. TGC would be better putting some cash into another coder rather than assets. I do still have a little faith that this product could be great, just when is the big question.

If your fairly new to game development then you won't be making anything 'serious' for a long time anyhow and maybe learning through this engine would be the way to go, by the time it's finished you will be an expert.

lmao "read the author, too bugsy"

i still stand what i said though. I wanna see a released dimonixil game before we jump to the conclusion from his screenshots that such a thing is actually plausible.



i say this constantly (But mainly in the discord and private convos, i'll admit) . maybe now that you've said it someone important will listen?

Or a playable level as is would be cool .

Dave

All of this is trivial as OP has to draw his/her own conclusion as to what "serious" actually means. Resident Evil 2 is a studio release. Making full 3D cutscenes with dialogue for example takes a lot of time and experienced but other part of RE2 I can see being doable in GG.

@Rayparadox1982: I'd invite you to browse the work in progress and showcase section of this forum and draw your own conclusion. If you are into that sort of thing you can also browse the steam releases but I'd mostly not recommend that.



-Wolf

I second that. Probably not the best showcase for gg, lol.

Course it is but you have to be able to script GG is fantastic for most things but scripting isnt one of them, I'm crappy at scripting although i was i can now do crafting, factions, hunting gathering etc but no where near smallg, amen moses kind of level.
But! I'm learning and i think thats what GG is about, If your dedicated enough yes GG can do pretty much most things and coupled with the community we have alot more. Kinda up to you really

@Bugsy

Where on earth did you get the impression the video was my work ..
Of course its Dimoxinil's Dev Blog as clearly mentioned on the video and demonstrated in WIP ...
I used it as an example of what could be achieved that's all..

Even if it was mine I would NEVER have had the audacity to point to any of my work with that statement

If you want to really make a serious game with Game Guru, at present avoid having multiple floors with enemies. Not only may you have AI issues but there is a lightmapping bug as well that we've seen to affect the EBE on multiple floors. There may be some fixes coming with the next build but I recommend keeping it as simple as you possibly can and you can actually get something out.

Space Losers is a great example as for the most part everything is operating on the terrain floor. So there isn't really going to be any AI bugs and problems.

In it's current state. I wouldn't attempt it. We'll need to see if the next update gets rid of game killing bugs, performance issues and 10+ minutes of loading times.



I would have to disagree with this. Specifically with Unity. The time you use trying to figure out work arounds in GG could be invested in learning something like Playmaker for Unity. I'm not a hardcore developer but Unity's asset pipeline is far easier to use. From importing assets to implementing AI and intricate game mechanics (using Playmaker at $49) to designing levels.

I love GG but it's still going to take a bit of time to squash core issues to get it into a state of being able to create a "serious game"

Playmaker looks interesting, does that work ok with the FREE unity or do you need the paid for licence/subscription version.

I will have to agree with this, as I spend 75% of my time using Game Guru doing work-arounds attempts. I've however not taken any full plunge into any other engine like Unity or Unreal (apart from Creation Kit which isn't profitable and cannot do standalones.)

It works fantastic with the free version. There are no limits.

With Unity it's not really a free version or a paid version, there is only one version, you use it for free and don't have to pay anything unless you sell your game and make over a certain amount, or you can pay a license fee to extend that amount.

You will get extras in unity pro that you won’t get in the free version



Although I don’t use it,I started with it for a while but it’s not for me just mucking about.

Dave

You don't really get much any more, and that list is an old list, they changed it, you don't get all that any more, most of the effects etc. are in the free one or in the store now. All you get now is a customisable splash screen, the ability to remove branding, access to another program for customising the UI's, access to more analytics (ie the ability to see stats pertaining to your game), and an essentials pack from the store, as well as an increase on earnings before commission, and even then using the free version won't stop you using any add-ons.

Here is the comparison list if you are thinking of using it , i was thinking of going back to it a while back

http://download.unity3d.com/unity/licenses

Dave

OP not responded to original question and now wandered into the realms of Unity
Moved to Off Topic ..

I think that's out dated, because there's quite a few things on that list that i've used (following a unity course) and i only have free unity, for example Lightmapping with Global Illumination and area lights are covered in the Udemy course i'm slowly going through, and it all works in my version, also LOD support is another thing i've messed with on the free version, as well as Full-Screen Post-Processing Effects, which all state they're pro features, although i did have to download scripts from the course notes fr them to work, so maybe they are premium features, but can also be purchased and added without premium access.

That's interesting,thanks .

Dave

Sorry, I meant there are no limits on Playmaker.

@OP, GameGuru will be capable creating a serious game (in the near future) I believe.

Thank you all so much for taking time out of your day to answer this question for me. I should have been a little bit more pacific when I said serious game what I really meant is just a game that you can make, that people outside of the game Guru Community, could enjoy And have fun with, after seeing some of the examples that you all showed me on here, and seeing some of the videos that I've researched on my own, I believe gameguru is just what I'm looking for.