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Posted: 12th Nov 2020 08:15 Edited at: 12th Nov 2020 08:40
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Is there any polycount limit?
GGMax_beta3 fail to load building 78k+ polycount.
Assimp plus MeshView load it s expected.

Is GGMax limiting the vertex count to 65535?



Edit: adding a related question: GGMax is going to support LOD?
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Ok, I've got the building meshes working well in GGMax beta3.
Tested, GGMax wants to keep vertex count on 65535 as max count.
GGmax has not any issue handling high poly meshes but you should to keep up the rules, such as vertex count .
Now I'm goint to try LOD (asap) mith those buildings in GGMax beta3, more info on my thread.
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Posted: 13th Nov 2020 09:11
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@ Lee
GGmax has something against ramps?
I have tried to load a ramp but GGMax crashes and closes, without any error message, even with just hovering over the thumbnail.
I have tried importing it and also crash when I select the ramp.
Polycount and vertex count are well, just 4k.
All the PBR textures plus surface maps are well done.
I've tried all the ramps that appear in the pic below, but they don't work either, GGMax crash and close immediately, no error message just closes.
If you want to test the model, I can send you a ramp.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2020 15:36
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@3com could be the physics is causing problems - perhaps see if it still crashes with a different mode
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Posted: 13th Nov 2020 16:31
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@ smallg
GGMax beta3 crash just hovering over the thumbnail, as you can see in the video below.



Quote: "perhaps see if it still crashes with a different mode"

Do you means changing the form of the ramps? Maybe changing the tilt angle or the tilt degrees?
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I'll be frank, I don't really understand why anyone is testing MAX at this juncture. They are virtually reworking what they are doing. It would make sense to just wait until the next beta is released as I bet most of what is currently being posted here is going to be ignored. Sure, have fun with the current MAX if you want, but I'd bet most of the bug reports here won't apply any more.
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Posted: 13th Nov 2020 17:34 Edited at: 13th Nov 2020 17:36
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Quote: "I bet most of what is currently being posted here is going to be ignored. "

Not really as I am adding all the bugs to the Devs Teamwork Tasks as they are posted which are being looked into as reference as they progress. Some have been fixed by Default simply because some functions were incomplete at the time and some along the way. Its a pretty tight ship at the moment.
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Sure. I suppose I didn't state my previous post well enough (coffee is still not working today). It's been a long time since the last beta. A lot has been going on. Some things have changed, some have been fixed. Other things may be broken. Yet bug testing the current beta is sort of beating a dead horse in a way. I'm sure a ton of things have been fixed and have changed since this last beta. Frankly, I would just wait for the next beta before really testing anything more. But that's my opinion (based on nothing concrete, of course).
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I just want to help to report bugs to the TGC team, and I'm sure all those bugs reported here go to the TGC team, in one way or another.
And I'm so sure about that, as I'm sure they are the first interested in it.
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Quote: "Do you means changing the form of the ramps? Maybe changing the tilt angle or the tilt degrees?"

no i meant changing in the .fpe
i.e. collisionmode = 3
but just a guess
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Nope, I've tried collision = every value except the limb collision, and nothing changes here. It is very odd.
Even tried 9; convex hull reduction shape with not to aval.
Anyway, good guess.
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I get this error Message with Beta 1, Beta 2, Beta 3 now.

Before they worked just fine !

Error 3002, ...files\audiobank\misc\silence.wav()

Why this suddenly start happening ?

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Posted: 15th Nov 2020 10:54 Edited at: 15th Nov 2020 10:59
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Quote: "I get this error Message with Beta 1, Beta 2, Beta 3 now.

Before they worked just fine !

Error 3002, ...files\audiobank\misc\silence.wav()

Why this suddenly start happening ?"


Quote: "How to delete this message ?"


@Jokke the error message tells you what the problem is, either that file silence.wav is missing or corrupt check the location from the error message if the file is not there create a wav with just silence and save it as silence.wav, if on the other hand it does exist delete it and re create it.

I assume you did not uninstall between ALPH/BETA builds ? it is always better to uninstall previous versions before installing another.

Also please keep your post to a single thread and a single post this is the best thread for posting your issues
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You only need to post once.
Have you copied any of your files over from Classic ?
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No video today kinda puts a sparkle to the day when there is one
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It is very worrying is it not, we invest and we are promised then the promises are broken, first we are told a release date, then that's moved to a later date, then we are told an open release date!!! What is that supposed to mean? We are told that if you invest you will be able to test the software out then the downloads stop. We are told we will at least have our weekly updates via YouTube! and now we don't even get a posting on the forums to tell us why this latest promise has been broken! I am the fool here, I mean who here didn't know this was going to happen, I just never thought it would be so early in the development. Very disappointed!
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There was no stream this week because Lee is on vacation, if I remember he did mention it briefly in his last stream.

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Yeah, give the guy a break... good on you Lee - you should take two weeks off or even a month

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Posted: 20th Nov 2020 11:50 Edited at: 20th Nov 2020 12:16
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Quote: "t is very worrying is it not, we invest and we are promised then the promises are broken, first we are told a release date, then that's moved to a later date, then we are told an open release date!!! What is that supposed to mean? We are told that if you invest you will be able to test the software out then the downloads stop. We are told we will at least have our weekly updates via YouTube! and now we don't even get a posting on the forums to tell us why this latest promise has been broken! I am the fool here, I mean who here didn't know this was going to happen, I just never thought it would be so early in the development. Very disappointed! "

How old are we six !!
The only mistake made IMHO was from day one it should have said " Coming early 2021 " on the release date.
Then there would be non of this but as i have stated many times im sure back in February it was a realistic projection.
Who knew 2020 would be the year it has been and still is for many. Hell a lot of stuff i planned went right out the window even where i really did actually use the word Promise
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Quote: "How old are we six !!
The only mistake made IMHO was from day one it should have said " Coming early 2021 " on the release date.
Then there would be non of this but as i have stated many times im sure back in February it was a realistic projection.
Who knew 2020 would be the year it has been and still is for many. Hell a lot of stuff i planned went right out the window even where i really did actually use the word Promise "


"How old are we".......What the bleep does that mean, you making some sort of weak personal attack on me? I paid my money, I have a right to show my displeasure without personal attacks by what is suppose to be a support person! You even admit the mistake by the developers advertising the release date incorrectly, false advertising! First it was September, then it was December and now it just whenever!! That is not professional at all! It's one thing not having the product I have paid for but another level when the support staff make snide remarks! Very helpful, lack of communication and treating customers like children...which by the way I am not!
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Stefos you need to calm down.
Firstly all the dates were Planned release dates ..
Secondly you did get the Beta \ Early access in September as stated but many in the community had already pressured Lee not to go for a public release as it was not ready. Release Dates get pushed forward or back all the time with lots of software and especially Steam products from my experience. This is nothing unusual.
Thirdly You have been getting the Alpha's and Beta's as stated and just because we have not had Beta 4 yet does not mean we are suddenly not getting any. As for the Live broadcast not streamed that was just one out of 20 so far not counting all the sneak peeks we have had. Lee was on Holiday simple as that.
Finally no Promises have been broken because non have been made.

Most here actually want a stable release for Max and many have stated " Take as long as you need " Seems to me Lee and the team are going through Max with a fine tooth comb to ensure the best possible stable release we want.
You can of course get a Refund if your not happy. This has been made very clear.
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Beta 3 being 'suspended' on launch.
Later in the clip, OBS glitched out when I ran as admin, but same thing happened.
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Quote: "Stefos you need to calm down."

(you are not my Mother or my Father)
Here we go, the lack of respect not only for a customer but another human being,is mind numbing. When I complain I am complaining about the business I don't need to hear from the gatekeeper telling me how pressured Lee was in making a decision, not my problem! I only demand one thing from a company that I am in business with and that's respect, respect enough to speak the truth and not to break promises. I promised to pay a certain amount for a software which was to be released in September, not only that the company yet again breaks another releases date and now has decided to have an open release date, my cash wasn't an open cash release, the company wants it as soon as possible. I paid, I kept up with my part of the contract. The company should of never had informed potential customers of a release date if they were not sure they could deliver. I am also a business person and if I do not deliver on the time specified then I also get complaints, but I do not have a gatekeeper protecting the company, nor should I. Once you have someone else taking the crap you can easily as the company owner become alienated from the customer and from the importance of said customer, like most larger companies are.

I will not post anything else about this here, it's obviously the wrong place for it as there is no customer relations team ! But it is a shame that a British tech company thinks that customers are nothing more than a hindrance, someone they can take or leave. You know the old excuse I keep hearing, we'll get back to you! ..very upsetting!!
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2020 13:29
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Quote: "not only for a customer "


You're not a customer of his, he doesn't work for TGC, he's a volunteer forum moderator, nothing else (no disrespect intended syncro), he's a member of the community that helps moderate the forums.

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I hardly think telling you to calm down is a lack of respect due to the fact your the one who came here flying off the handle making accusations of promises being broken and how we no longer get Betas or streams despite the fact that is not the case and then go off on another when i give you all the info explaining the chain of events.

If you pre ordered you got the version that would have been released in September.
The only difference is it was not released for sale on Steam and i think you would agree ( as a businessman ) it was not ready for public sale and would have caused even more complaints if it had been. This leaves you with 2 choices. Either wait like the rest of us and continue getting the Beta's until the community feel its stable enough or request a refund which you are fully entitled to do via Customer Support.
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While I agree with what you've said above, I do not agree with this statement:

If you pre ordered you got the version that would have been released in September.

What we got was alphas and betas. What was supposed to be released in September was a workable game development tool that could actually be used to create a simple FPS game. None of the alphas or betas could be used to create a game at all because the engine was not completed by September, nor is it near completion now. So, no, we did not get what was proposed for the September release. Even so, I am not upset because I agree with Lee's decision to keep developing MAX, to bring it to completion, and to do so in a way that helps ensure it is as bug-free as possible. It was the right decision.
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Only thing they did was give a very unrealistic completion date. I knew it would not be completed for September however they are really behind from. September, But i have patience, for one my job is more ridiculous regards time consuming, i have had no time to delve into the engine this year i have been on it approx 45 in total since the release of alpha 1. So im ok tbh
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Quote: "What we got was alphas and betas. What was supposed to be released in September was a workable game development tool that could actually be used to create a simple FPS game."

Well we knew it was going to be early access \ Beta ( and probably will still be ) My point was we got what they had.
The fact is it did not make the deadline. It was not ready simple as that and these things happen.
Posting a rant about Promises broken, not getting beta's or Streams etc is never going to go down well.
Whatever happened to..
" Hi Guys , Very disappointed about the release can anyone give me more info or what my options are "
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Completely agree. There was no "promise". There was a release date. As with many things software-related, release dates are often missed for a variety of reasons. It didn't surprise me and didn't upset me. That, and the fact that the asking price for MAX was so small for early adapters ... I see no reason to complain. On top of that, we've also seen that Lee and Co. are adding in features that originally they were not going to have. So, technically, once MAX is officially released, we will be getting more than what was advertised. To me, this is a win-win.
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Max Beta 3 changing sun color in test mode crashed program (frozen screen, cannot exit).
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GG Max shuts down, when I select an etentity from GG Classic or especially the Enhanced Weapon Pack. All self made weapons look deformed as well.

And it often crashes, while using test mode - like they said above.

When I shoot any enemy, nothing happens or while the dying -animation - the enemy is lying in the air.

Does someone know, when TGC will release a new version or the final product?
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Quote: "Does someone know, when TGC will release a new version or the final product?"

Pretty much all those issues have been reported and logged already so the team is already aware
No release date for the retail as yet and currently an open ended release.
The Beta's will continue though and Beta 4 hopefully before the hols ..
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Quote: "Pretty much all those issues have been reported and logged already so the team is already aware "


I checked the list to see if these issues were there before posting. They were not, so maybe an update of the sticky is in order. I figured I should let the devs know since this is the place for Beta 3 bugs. For my money, GG Max is not at all ready for release. Glad to see it is being worked on, though.
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Quote: "I checked the list to see if these issues were there before posting. They were not"

No biggie if they are duplicates .. Better than not reporting them. I was only letting you know they had been previously reported ( maybe in other threads ) so you were aware they were already being looked into
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GameguruMax Beta 3 fails to load/start.

Have downloaded latest zip file and installed from that after unzipping.
Have installed to P:\GameDev\GameGuruMAX
Have given it admin rights and runs as admin even though I am running as a user with admin.
Running on win 10 pro.
Video of load attempt is first file.
Have tried changing vrmode=0 in ini file which got a little further, the window changed colour at least.
Video of load attempt after change is second file.
Running I7 with 12GB, multiple screens.(2) but will be more.

Any suggestions?

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Posted: 4th Dec 2020 21:10 Edited at: 4th Dec 2020 21:20
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Please Note

Hi Guys
All current bugs in this thread have been recorded and categorised to the Teamwork Tasks Section.
Could you please post any new ones to the Github link below
https://github.com/TheGameCreators/GameGuruRepo/issues

Of course if you could add "MAX " to your bug heading that would help a lot and any Screenshots or Videos that could help reproduce or show the issue. From there they will be transferred to the Teamwork Task section where work has already begun on investigating and solving them.
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Posted: 10th Dec 2020 13:56
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Quote: "Are you sure that link is OK."

Yes its absolutely fine.
The Community uses it all the time and no warnings from my virus software when I just clicked it.
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Posted: 10th Dec 2020 16:06 Edited at: 10th Dec 2020 16:06
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It's a GitHub link, it's one of the most used online version control programs on the net with 40 million users, it's also owned by Micro$oft, so yeah should be fine, sounds like Kaspersky's just being a jerk.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2020 22:52 Edited at: 11th Dec 2020 13:54
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Yeah, it is just a GitHub security measure against active local system bugs!

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if you try to open a GG classic level containing some of the scifi DLC and save the map it will crash Max with a pathcore error
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@ smallg
Unfortunately, I won't own that pack so I can't reproduce the issue, but had you tried importing one mesh from that pack to GGMax?
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No issues here with area/spotlight in GGMax beta 3.
About changing sun color, do you tried resetting visuals and try again?
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yeah buddy just bought me this and when i just open the program after installing it just crashes to desk top no error..
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Posted: 1st Jan 2021 16:34 Edited at: 1st Jan 2021 16:39
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What are your machine specs and op sys?

Quote from Lee the developer:
Quote: "I have set the current min spec at GTX 960 but that is a guess. It depends what performance we need for the minimum visual quality we are aiming for."


There could be other reasons also. Did everything install including the dx files?
If so, Try rebooting your machine and give it another go.
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installed lated GGmax and when i try to open it just crashes to desktop with no error what so ever!
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Quote: "installed lated GGmax and when i try to open it just crashes to desktop with no error what so ever!"

You already asked above. Cant help without the info Myke requested.
What are your specs, OS, GFX Card etc ?
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Hi All,

Just a call to action for anyone who has any burning issues with the Beta Three build to post them in the GitHub issues board and mark them as MAX (if you have not already done so). We aim to get those sorted for the first build of 2021, in addition to the feedback we have collected internally. that said, it is not super urgent if the bug is something you can live with or is part of the in-progress development, as we will be moving to a new platform for reporting and tracking bugs soon and there will be plenty time and systems to take your report. As a heads up, we won't be fixing bugs on features that we have hidden in the builds. We only intend to release stable finished sub-sections so if your bug lies inside a section we have not included in the build, don't worry, we will get to that as part of the process of bring more features online.

The GitHub Issues Board is here: https://github.com/TheGameCreators/GameGuruRepo/issues
GameGuru Classic will continue to be supported with bug fixes and functionality additions.

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