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Posted: 7th Feb 2020 13:50 Edited at: 10th Feb 2020 13:40
Hi All,

As part of the MAX announcement, I had the pleasure of attending a Discord and it was very useful for rapid-fire conversation. I am currently looking to schedule a time to talk about options for rendering techniques for the new lighting model and by extension the terrain system which will give the renderer something to do.

DISCORD EVENT - RENDERING ENGINE TALK - Tuesday 11th Feb 8PM GMT - 2 HOURS

If you prefer a different time for the next Discord Event, do let us know in this thread, thanks!
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Ok for me

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That works for me.
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Posted: 7th Feb 2020 14:32 Edited at: 7th Feb 2020 14:32
Sound Great … Perhaps T-bone could add a slight delay so Lee can keep up and answer the questions without being bombarded.
What do you think ?
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I am out, but I sent you a mail Lee with some information. Maybe it helps
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Always interesting ,times good for to

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Working, but I am interested in what would be talked about, any chance of a transcript?
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Posted: 7th Feb 2020 15:40 Edited at: 12th Feb 2020 18:22
Game Guru Max channel has been created on the Discord:

https://discord.gg/jMtvakJ

EDIT: No more Steam verification required to join this upcoming session.
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Quote: "A Game Guru Max channel has been added to the GG Discord. Only verified Game Guru users have access to it (50+ members)."


How do I get verified? I have a license to GG and have pre-orederd GG MAX. My Discord name is Monkey Frog Studio.
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i dont have too much lighting technique experience but i will be
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Argent_Arts wrote: "How do I get verified?"


T-Bone can answer this with more details (if needed). However, all I did was click on the link T-Bone in his 1st post found above. I was then asked to verify the invite he has provided.
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Quote: "How do I get verified? I have a license to GG and have pre-orederd GG MAX. My Discord name is Monkey Frog Studio."

Just have the GG running when you open discord I believe

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I can access, read, and post on the GameGuru Discord channel (probably because I was invited there previously). But I don't see the GameGuru MAX channel (and I had pre-purchased).
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Thanks, everyone! It's been taken care of.
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Awesome

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Quote: "Tuesday 11th Feb 8PM GMT"

That's fine this week as im on Holiday but normally I work Sunday, Monday, Tuesday evenings so other weeks I may just have to just catch up when I get home
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That's 3 PM for EST folks (like myself)

Sounds good, don't have anything to do on the 11th at 3 PM
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Yeah, seven in the morning for me, I be heading off to work then - oh well....

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Somehow i have stuff up my discord login.
when i access it , it ask me for my user name , i then type in pcs and when i type my email it tel's me it has been registered already so some how i have already registered with my email but i cant remember when.
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Couldnt join in on that Discord as I was working, a big ask but can anyone copy out a bit or what was said.........
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Quote: "Couldnt join in on that Discord as I was working, a big ask but can anyone copy out a bit or what was said......... "


Why not just go there and read it? Just go to the GameGuru Discord server and then to the gamegurumax channel. Scroll up. There will be a lot to read as people were firing off questions and Lee was doing his best to answer over about 2 hours.
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Basically GGM will be another graphical update, better terrain, an updated character creator, multiplayer update, and VR.
So basically what we have now with a couple bells most of us don't need.

By September release it would put GG development at 6 years to make it look good graphically. With little to no added features for building actual games.

But yeah head over to Discord and read up on it, but it is not all that inspiring imo....

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Posted: 12th Feb 2020 10:00 Edited at: 12th Feb 2020 10:01
Quote: "So basically what we have now with a couple bells most of us don't need."


Maybe you don't need them, but real-time dynamic lights/shadows from all light sources, HDRI lighting, a Voxel GI based rendering engine, 64-bit, a new terrain engine (with much superior texturing ability and more) ... yeah, I'll take that, thank you. Oh, and though it wasn't talked about on Discord (because the talk was supposed to only about the rendering engine), accessing specific LUA commands via the GUI to adjust aspects of the game is pretty good, too.
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Posted: 12th Feb 2020 11:28 Edited at: 12th Feb 2020 11:44
Yep, they will be cool things to have
As far as features most of us don't need, I was referring to:
Multiplayer - which is essentially the same as it is now - still can't use it with custom media or scripts.
and
VR - how many of us using GG now have that tech, and how many of the target audience can even afford it even if they want it.

Quote: "By September release it would put GG development at 6 years to make it look good graphically. With little to no added features for building actual games."

Still a valid point....

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Posted: 12th Feb 2020 12:07
Quote: "Multiplayer - which is essentially the same as it is now - still can't use it with custom media or scripts"


This is one of the most disappointing things about Max. The whole "we want better multiplayer" thing was premised on two things:

1. Being able to play without owning GameGuru.
2. Being able to use custom scripts.

I suppose 50% isn't half bad

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I never understood why Multiplayer never worked as I recall there was a live blog video (GG Broadcast maybe?) that I recall both Ravey (Dave?) and Lee and maybe another dev were playing/demonstrating multiplayer together. Maybe I'll have a dig around in YT land and see if I can find it. it seemed to work back then , but my memory is a bit hazy. Anyway it seemed quite fun then.

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Quote: "it seemed to work back then"

It works just fine now … But nobody uses it
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it does? oh I guess I will look at that, I just assumed no-one used it because it didn't work. Why are people moaning about multiplayer if it works? I think I must have missed a ton of info somewhere , need to do a bit of research...
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... cool
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8PM .. Iknow I was there
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I couldnt make it as I was working but I did a quick read through, seems good to me.

I hope Lee can clarify

Whats 100% in from September.
Whats 100% out and not going to be added at all.

and what might be worked on after September.
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Quote: "Why are people moaning about multiplayer"

Generally because its played through the steam servers and you can only play with other GG users.
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GGMax without VR either MP and replacing those features with another ones.
Such version would be cool.

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Did Lee confirm whether the new lighting engine is going to be exclusive to Game Guru Max or whether it will be implemented into Classic at some point?

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Quote: "Did Lee confirm whether the new lighting engine is going to be exclusive to Game Guru Max or whether it will be implemented into Classic at some point? "


I don't see how it could make it's way into Classic. The lighting engine is part of a completely new engine - 64-bit, Voxel GI, etc. To get this into Classic would mean having to replace Classic's rendering engine completely. So, if TGC is going to add proper dynamic lighting/shadows to Classic, they will have to do it independently of MAX, imo.
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Just tried to get into Discord but it says to claim my account, although it does recognise me as I have used it ages ago. Any ideas why I seem locked out?
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Strange I saw you just joined on there ?
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Logged out and back in now works. It was stuck on claim this account for some reason. Couldn't message until I could get rid of it! I was logged in but locked out at the same time
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@DVader : I had the same issue, but I have two almost identical google accounts so I tricked it I hope you saw the slew of answers on the discord. It was an experience answering 4 questions a minute
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Perhaps next time we'll need to employ a longer slow-mode of 10 seconds?

You did a fantastic job of keeping up with so many questions in the second.
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I would love a second Discord chat focused on gameplay/engine features sometime (as if a lot of people didn't already talk about those this time hahaha) and I agree with Teabone, a longer slowmode would definitely cut back on the question spam and help get more questions answered. (maybe 30 seconds would be best?)
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@DVader - bin there 'sin it it, bin stuffed by it. I *hate* Discord. It seems to be a 50/50 chance of whether it lets you join a new forum or not.
More importantly I do not understand it's attraction - unless it's 'coz you can access it from your phone all day long. To me it's just another way of fragmenting the user base. >:{
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Quote: "More importantly I do not understand it's attraction"

Just real time chat really
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Often seems to have more life on it than these boards...

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Quote: "Often seems to have more life on it than these boards..."

Discord can deaden forums its true.
Its basically just a big chat room so it does seems to draw everyone there.
Im signed in to about 11 im constantly traversing .
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Quote: "Im signed in to about 11 im constantly traversing ."

Okay - that's a generational thing then, I think. I'm guesssing 11 im means you're watching 11 forums at once 8-o. Just the one'll do me. . .
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