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Like the title says, some people really need this feature !

There has to be a way right?
It can't be that hard.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2018 15:42
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Like a clean start level you mean

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yea at least something!

Clean start level is something we talk about for a while too !

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Posted: 7th Dec 2018 22:46 Edited at: 7th Dec 2018 22:51
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Setup INI

To turn off lightmapping from the sun directional light, you can open SETUP.INI and change the flag "lightmappingdeactivatedirectionallight=0" to "lightmappingdeactivatedirectionallight=1", then save and relaunch GameGuru.

Turn down sun settings in the TAB slider as well.
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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 02:58
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it would be great if it could be used at every level where it is more level. And how about shadowed characters in indoor lighting? Are dynamic shadows characters?
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dynamic lights do not even exist in gg - dynamic shadows I mean. Wich is a real shame.

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Quote: "dynamic lights do not even exist in gg - dynamic shadows I mean. Wich is a real shame."

Yeah, a real shame. Man always these developers who think that a loss of 30 to 70 Fps (it differs how much you use this feature and we all know some guys will use it extremely), is not that good.

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Does moving the sun rotation work in the skybox settings?
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Yes but you can't do it dynamically it is set once at game start.
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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 17:25
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Quote: "Does moving the sun rotation work in the skybox settings?"


I believe it just changes the orientation of the skybox, not the position of the sun itself. And it's just the rotation, not the pitch (height) of the sun, or the colour.

Lee. Devs. I don't know how many times I can say this but, please, for pity's sake...

give us dynamic sun controls,
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I've been harping on about this for best part of two years and yet still, here we are.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 19:01 Edited at: 8th Dec 2018 19:06
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Quote: "give us dynamic sun controls"

It seems such an easy thing to add, at least on the surface. I'm not sure if the current shaders need the sun to be static or not? It would be nice to actually be able to code the sun to move, if you wanted a more realistic day night cycle. Still, turning the sun off entirely should be an easy addition regardless.

Edit - Forgot to say. You can't rotate the sun to be underneath the floor by any chance? Not ideal, but might work, Teabones suggestion sounded plausible to me. I haven't really made any custom skyboxes beyond one I did years ago, so unsure myself.
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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 19:31 Edited at: 8th Dec 2018 19:34
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Wouldnt turning the sun off totally just be black ..
We do have sunset skies where the source seems to be right on the horizon so im guessing as Dvader said rotation is possible.
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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 19:50
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Quote: "Wouldnt turning the sun off totally just be black .."


Great for inside levels tried putting a box around but made no difference .i can’t see why we can’t just turn it of

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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 19:56 Edited at: 8th Dec 2018 20:04
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Quote: "Yeah, a real shame. Man always these developers who think that a loss of 30 to 70 Fps (it differs how much you use this feature and we all know some guys will use it extremely), is not that good. "


Do I get bashed now for requesting standard modern day engine features? Sure it would consume performance, of course I know that!
But this feature has been requested many times now by VARIOUS users.

even only for the flashlight, anything would be nice at this point.

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Quote: "Wouldnt turning the sun off totally just be black .."


no, because there is still ambient lighting and surface level also controls placed lights too.
For indoor levels, some skyboxes will draw sunlight directly through level architecture wich is a real downer for inside level builds. ( and also is a bug honestly)

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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 21:30 Edited at: 8th Dec 2018 21:31
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Quote: "Wouldnt turning the sun off totally just be black .."

Yes, apart from the light sources and illumination maps in game For a completely indoor level with no windows, ideal. I'm guessing a dark cave underground is pretty black. Game Guru has been improving of late with lighting, I'm not sure if it's PBR or just the improved importer, but I'm mostly impressed with it graphically at the moment. A gripe which remains is the sun effect which can cause issues with indoor scenes and the shadows it creates. So turning it off would eliminate them. It may also give a few fps back...

One thought, would a gigantic thick block above and around the map block the light? Again not an ideal solution, but may be a way to eliminate the sunlight for now.
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Quote: "I've been harping on about this for best part of two years and yet still, here we are. "


and still you don't get the hint (just kidding)

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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 21:40 Edited at: 8th Dec 2018 21:41
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Quote: "One thought, would a gigantic thick block above and around the map block the light? Again not an ideal solution, but may be a way to eliminate the sunlight for now."


I tried enclosing a level in a box but it didn’t work I’m afraid

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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 22:15 Edited at: 8th Dec 2018 22:15
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"One thought, would a gigantic thick block above and around the map block the light?"

This would only work in a lightmapped scene I believe. With realtime lighting: No. it does not work. I would not be asking for this feature then

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Posted: 8th Dec 2018 22:32 Edited at: 8th Dec 2018 22:43
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Funny if I seal myself in a room with an object there is no sun, no shadows …
Must be blocking something ?



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Quote: "With realtime lighting: No. it does not work. I would not be asking for this feature then"

Even if it did I'd still ask A bit much to HAVE to place a big block to hide the light! Just a workaround until it was implemented ;p

I still say this is a feature that should be easy to implement. Turning things off should be a refreshing change in comparison to adding new stuff ;p
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Just a question:
Did someone use the sunsurface slider? And before I hear again "there is a bug, it is not working", you actually need to lightmap your level before it is working.
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Quote: "Did someone use the sunsurface slider?"


OF COURSE. ANd it does nothing. An issue a reported Months ago on github.

Quote: "you actually need to lightmap your level before it is working."


Nothing to add here... The Lightmapper is not fully functional right now...

Quote: "Funny if I seal myself in a room with an object there is no sun, no shadows …
Must be blocking something ?"


It's not about the terrain light itself, its about entities in that indoor area being LIT by the SUN where this should not be the case.

It depends on the skybox tho. Some skyboxes make entities glow like christmas trees, others are rather subtile and suitable for indoor areas.

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it does not matter at all, the feature would be nice. And there is nothing to argue with that, right?

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Quote: "OF COURSE. ANd it does nothing. An issue a reported Months ago on github."

Look in the shaders:

It should do nothing with realtime lightning. You can only use it with a lightmapped level. I do not know why, but this is a feature, not a bug! I read you issue on github, but after this is a "feature", I simply ignored it.

Yes the feature would be nice but for this less money I would not do it. Sorry.
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ah I see. And now I also get why you take this so seriously. I ask this feature to be added by Lee, not by the community. Should have stated that in the initial post. Never mind.

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Posted: 9th Dec 2018 00:53 Edited at: 9th Dec 2018 01:15
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Brought this up before
( Just noticed that was a year ago this month )

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Posted: 10th Dec 2018 18:39 Edited at: 10th Dec 2018 18:51
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You might also want to maybe disable PBR. As it will help rid you off the skybox/terrain cube reflection on some indoor models.

I've had issues with sun bleeding in interiors. The fix was thickening walls. I was advised this several years ago prior EBE days.

Just thinking of some possible work-arounds. Since that's what using Game Guru is all about
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Quote: "Just thinking of some possible work-arounds. Since that's what using Game Guru is all about "



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Posted: 11th Dec 2018 03:49 Edited at: 11th Dec 2018 03:49
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It works perfectly.
You simply need to edit the setup file, change 0 to 1 lightmappingdeactivatedirectionallight=1.Additionally you can bake without lights and then add dynamic lights or add static lights and bake. It's absolute nonsense that the slider isn't working it is working perfectly fine when you add the 1 to the lightmappingdeactivatedirectionallight= in the setup file of course it isn't going to work.

Here is an indoor level of the cold war dlc, perfectly lightmapped.

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I'm confused. Wasn't this post initially about real time lighting? I didn't think baking even had a problem? I must have missed something along the line.
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Quote: "You simply need to edit the setup file, change 0 to 1 lightmappingdeactivatedirectionallight=1"

Cool. I did not know this, but it works with realtime and lightmapped levels.
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Posted: 11th Dec 2018 20:00 Edited at: 11th Dec 2018 20:05
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Quote: "but it works with realtime and lightmapped levels"


I need to try that.

Lightmapping is not an option because a lightmaped level is far more bigger than a non baked one.
and the bigger the level the more likely memory problems (missing entities and such) will occur.
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People wich tried to make actual games instead of just one level will confirm this too.

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Posted: 11th Dec 2018 23:02
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Quote: "Lightmapping is not an option"


Yeah, I tend to agree.
Right now if you lightmap a level that has one or more models using an _illumination map, one or more of the models will have its illumimation map tiled all over it, in fact usually only One of them won't - a bug that has always been there for PBR models.

In all my tests with lightmapping - while it is much better than before - there will be somewhere that the process detracts from the scene.

Real-time lighting always looks way better to me anyway, so surely there is a better way.

Personally I think we also need to get away from having to 'simply edit the setup file', all these tweaks should be accessible via the Game Guru editor, and should also be on a per Level basis.

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Quote: "Personally I think we also need to get away from having to 'simply edit the setup file', all these tweaks should be accessible via the Game Guru editor, and should also be on a per Level basis."


Exactly

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Posted: 11th Dec 2018 23:23 Edited at: 12th Dec 2018 01:06
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Half of what's in the setup.ini should be game/map specific, though this is not the case. I've always wanted Game Guru to launch asking you to start a new game/project or load one. This project would keep all connected maps/levels in one folder of its own. Most of the aspects in the setup.ini should be settings within the editor for your overall project and sub settings per map/level.

Also with each new project it would copy over all your asset bank folders so that you can modify them as you please without altering other projects using those resources. This would also give your standalone build some headway, as most of the work with the media would already be extracted from the Steam folder core.

But let's be honest and real here.... Github has 230+ items on it including bugs and feature requests and its growing weekly....
so you know, wishful thinking. Game Guru is and will always be about work-arounds not much room left for dreaming this far in. We kind of have to rogue it and find solutions for ourselves.

Id do the setup.ini change and take off PBR mode and finally enclose your interior in a static shell entity mesh so the sun cannot pass through, as noted above by synchromesh. You can if you wish do this by stretching static entities by warping them with the widget. Also I would suggest (sadly) reducing or removing Global Specularity entirely to prevent the sun spots on the floor from appearing. I'm currently working on an interior map at the moment and facing similar issues and am using these work-arounds to cut corners to make it all work.
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Quote: " Also I would suggest (sadly) reducing or removing Global Specularity entirely"

You can actually set the individual specularity value in the editor properties panel, so maybe just do that for the offending items?
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Thanks for all your comments.

Quote: "You can actually set the individual specularity value in the editor properties panel, so maybe just do that for the offending items?"


its about the terrain specular lights.
In inside areas, it is really distracting when the terrain reflects the "sun" with a specular light shimmer. Totally out of place!
It is simple things like that that matter at the end.

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Quote: "In inside areas, it is really distracting when the terrain reflects the "sun" with a specular light shimmer."

If I were doing an indoor level I would not use the terrain at all (FPS+++). However, I've played your great looking game, so realise why you want it. By the way, haven't noticed any serious light issues when I played it so perhaps you are too critical ;p It's easy to pick fault when you have run the game a thousand times Actual players may not really notice.
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Quote: "It's easy to pick fault when you have run the game a thousand times"


that is very true lol - stay tuned on a new download soon I rebooted the project and started from scratch again with different enemies.
I will post a download in the corresponding thread as soon as its ready.

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Posted: 12th Dec 2018 22:16 Edited at: 13th Dec 2018 03:29
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Quote: "You can actually set the individual specularity value in the editor properties panel, so maybe just do that for the offending items?"


True, though unsure if this can be done for EBE pieces. Though EBE pieces do have their own FPE sort of file. I've not played around too much with those properties.

Another thing you can do , duch, is take down the surface lighting and up the atmospheric lighting.
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Quote: "Another thing you can do , duch, is take down the surface lighting and up the atmospheric lighting"


I appreciate the advice T, but my level would look horrid with ambient lights increased. There is a reason I need surface lights so badly. Cant have glowing mushrooms with ambient lights, see ?

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Posted: 13th Dec 2018 10:34 Edited at: 13th Dec 2018 10:39
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V 2017.09 DX11 BETA 25

* Added 'lightmappingdeactivatedirectionallight=0' to SETUP.INI
* Added 'lightmappingambientred=25' to SETUP.INI
* Added 'lightmappingambientgreen=25' to SETUP.INI
* Added 'lightmappingambientblue=25' to SETUP.INI
* NOTE: Set above to 1,75,75,75 for sun everywhere
* NOTE: Set above to 1,0,0,0 for sun nowhere (static lights require) <------------------------------------------- Maybe this works?

[hmmm or maybe not, just tried it , didn't do anything for me. how poop]
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We just need to get rid of the sun,simple


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Posted: 13th Dec 2018 12:52
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It can be done with a relatively simple shader tweak. For Cogwheel the sun surface factor is changed to affect the primary sun light strength. This allows me to have it high for outdoor parts of the world and turn the sun off or down for interiors of buildings caves etc using existing lua commands. Why it isn’t used this way as default I don’t know unless the decision was made to make it exclusive for light mapping only (which I don’t use). But I faced the same problem, sun and reflections appearing inside buildings where I only wanted general illumination and dynamic lights so I made the change. I’ll see if I can post a version that does this for you but will take me a little while as the shaders I use now are almost totally custom so will have tweak the latest stock version and test.

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Posted: 13th Dec 2018 13:36 Edited at: 13th Dec 2018 13:37
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Thanks cybernescence for your time,I was told there would be a clean start level a year ago and like a lot of things it never turned up

(Can't remember who but someone even donated money for it )

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Hopefully get to it tonight - will make a change from trying to get shadows working for flashlight and spotlights. I’ve got close but just something I’m missing about getting perspective instead of orthogonal light views properly working - shadow maths is hard (well for me - I need a Preben brain )

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Posted: 13th Dec 2018 14:45 Edited at: 13th Dec 2018 14:47
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time to mess around with the source code. I want to also remove the terrain as I want to make a space game, no good with blooming terrain in the way unless I'm landing on a planet
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Quote: "time to mess around with the source code. I want to also remove the terrain"


Please

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