Don't want STEAM on my Computer, takes over it,. Do not want it attached to GameGuru Max at all.
I purchased GGM directly from The Game Creators, downloads from the same. Why should I be
made to go to a third party for downloads and DLC's.

Will have to agree although I have steam on my computer which I don't mind. Gameguru classic could be run without steam which was a blessing. Some thing that is even more annoying even when I asked in a early broadcast last year was whether or not gameguru max will have a call home function. TGC has done a complete 180 on that as well.

It will now have a call home function every 30 days. I am quite happy with the non-steam version, it is a bad move in general. I would suggest that the community who prefers the non-steam version, to speak up and voice their concerns in a constructive manner.

They seem to be doing what they always do. (a trend analysis)
1 promise the universe
2. Go 100mph
3. Release a rushed edition
4. Go 15mph
5. Lose focus and go completely fickle and swap change and drop things add something they find good
6. Never finished anything properly and start new things if they do finish its not the intended version
7. start a new engine
repeat.....

we do however have the cop out clause
a. early access indefinite
b. DLC
they will obviously no w be going slow because they can, and focus on DLC
they will go 1mph on the engine and anything good will come as dlc ( psychic powers sense a building editor program DLC) and
psychic powers sense ........ im getting the words.......... max release full on the 12th of never!
( or is this my future dead self sending me messages saying dont bother mate ) lol

seriously guys sort your sloth like ways and stop groundhog day and finish what you started 10 years ago yes 10 years ago this is classic extended with what was originally promised yet no funds so fleeced us again

Lee when will you actually finish something mate?

I agree,

I must admit I am quite disheartened by the whole thing.

Like a lot of people I bought the stand alone version for my own reasons, only to be told the other day that if I want the new DLC pack, I should swap over to steam.

So at the moment, I have a version of GGM that is being left behind by the steam version, that constantly crashes since the last update, I will not receive the new DLC pack because I don’t have the steam version and I can’t release any game I make because It is still at the testing stage and has been for approximately 2 years.

Who was it that told you to "swap over to steam"? Was it someone who officially works with TGC? Or was it someone else? The reason I ask is because I have the non-Steam version and wanted to get the Particle DLC (before it became the Particle Booster Pack). I contacted TGC through my TGC account and they made it possible. Now the DLC sits as a download in my TLC account.

@Monkey Frog...
try getting the latest DLC...
The Animation Booster pack....
without Steam....
So far....doesnt seem visible on
GameCreators Store....
So,,,,,is this the NEW trend ?

UNIRD12B

I would contact TGC about that and see what the options are. I can't answer you as I am just a user, like the rest of you. Did you try to contact TGC about this at all?

So all this is just conjecture then based on the fact you cannot purchase the DLC's currently with the offline version ?
No wonder i couldnt find anything about it.


Hate to ruin your Day but you already have Steam installed on your system.
I would contact TGC and find out the exact information.
Once you have PM me and i will unlock this one but right now its just surmising.

Ok hunted high and low for official info on this and totally missed it .. DOH !!
Apologies Ozzie .. Thanks to WOI for pointing me in the right direction .. This is the official word on it.

"Finally, a heads up! We are channelling more of our resources into development and bug fixing so instead of supporting and juggling multiple delivery platforms we will spend more time on making our products great!

To help achieve this we'll be issuing all GameGuru MAX updates for both the core product and DLC via Steam only - all non-Steam users will be given a Steam key for any products they own.

We’ll be phasing this in between now and the end of the year but thought it best to give an early heads up!"


Please voice any concerns in a civil manner.

No problem syn.

But like I said, I paid for the non steam version. TGC should be reminded they are still obligated to follow
Consumer Rights Act 2015, and should be careful with regards to how they handle this. Changing terms of use that could potentially negatively impact users needs to be taken into account.While I see the move over to steam as a inconvenience for my self personally.

Formal notice should be sent to users in advance of the expected date of swap over, as well as offer refund or other means of credit should it not satisfy the user.

I paid for the non steam version as well.
As to the software in general, I think "science boy" covered it all!
Enough said.

Cheers!

Hi all,

I'm sure that some of you aren't happy about this move, but here at TheGameCreators, we want to focus on creating a great product that reaches as wide an audience as possible, and maintaining more that one build takes up valuable development time. In the long run, this will be the best move for our users, freeing time for the team to work on improvements. The vast majority of sales for MAX are via Steam, with many TGC users moving over to the Steam version in the first couple of months. Should you want to do this at any point, simply contact support.

All MAX features will be included for FREE in the main build, the only DLC's we produce for MAX from this point forward will be media packs. As many of you now know, having listened to the user feedback, the particle editor is now a fully functioning part of MAX, which you can expand with extra particle should you want to. You don't have to, and can take advantage of the particle editors main feature straight out of the box.

As stated, anyone who has purchased via TGC will be given a Steam key, so they can still access MAX.

Thanks everyone for your support, and we look forward to moving MAX forward.

Not thrilled with this but I guess the decision has been made. When will the steam keys be put in out account?

My original purchase was the offline but have since changed to Steam mainly because its easier to moderate the Steam forums if its in your library rather than a separate link on my desktop which i kept forgetting and went straight to Steam anyway

As far as im concerned it turned out better with seamless updates etc and anyone that owns Classic would have had or has Steam installed anyway as that is the only way you could have purchased classic and get the current updates. Of course Classic can be executed without Steam then install every time you want to update but how many can say they do that and if you do what a pain in the butt that must be especially if you need to verify once in a while.

When will you distribute Steam keys to standalone buyers? Tomorrow is September 1, will that be the date? Will it be available from midnight onwards?

I just got an email informing me they are there now.

This is how it always should've been. It felt strange being asked which version we wanted to buy including for GG and GG:Max. At some point I think I wound up buying the same products twice (AGK related ones at least), to have both options or because certain extensions or features seemed only available through Steam.

I never cared for how Steam handles path and data by default. Usually installing to some really long path buried within Program Files and not making it easy to explicitly specify to install to "C:\GG\" for instance. I also liked the old convenience of being able to install multiple versions of a product to separate directories, I believe Steam permits only one instance and the updates will automatically go in and replace files and so on.

But I understand the reasoning for switching since it does make the TGC team's job much more organized. It started trending that way when they introduced Steam-exclusive things like Workshop integration with AGK. They also introduced or sold items through Steam that were very quickly forgotten and unsupported, like Visual Designer for AGK that cost $50 but was never feature complete and development stopped entirely on it without any notice.