Hi all. I saw on the last broadcast that there was camera shake when the player was getting hurt. As the title suggests, I think it would be a good idea to let us put camera shake in other actions as well, like shooting (idk if this is planned, correct me if I missed something). I think that a lot of feedback to the player is missing on stuff like that, and that would make any game better and give some much needed feedback from the game to the player. For example you can check the last modern warfare, or Tarkov, when the player shoots the camera shakes a bit, in combination with the recoil. Now I'm not talking about having mechanics like that and I know its impossible in GGM, but think of the possibilities. Like for example, if you wanted to make a Night Vision mechanic, having the screen shake a bit when its activated, or have different shake amount(?) in every weapon (which would make every weapon feel different.) The mechanic is allready there, we just need more control over it I think. What are your thoughts?

Just call GamePlayerControlAddShakeTrauma( num ) where num is 1-100.

There are other functions you can call to alter the shake behaviour but they require a deeper understanding of camera shake to really use them properly.

The Trauma is additive btw (that's why it is called AddTrauma) so if several events occur at the same time it will strengthen the shake, so for example if both events Add 25 (the default) then the result will be a Trauma of 50.

I think there is a multitude of opportunity for cam shake

Not just shooting (very limited imagination)

Earthquakes
Landslides, cave ins,
Collapsed buildings, bridges, nuclear explosions and bombs,
Cold and exposure (survival)
Transport and crashes


This would be good to have as an added script to an action
Or player in zone.
Lots of options

Question
Player in zone (trigger zone) is there going to be or is there possibility to add multiple actions for trigger zone

Eg in basic...
You enter zone

1. Cam shake
2. Play sound
3. Entity appear
4. Animate entity
5. End all

Food for thought

Have a word with Necrym59
He has already done a pretty cool one and could probably add features you would like.

Have a script:

Never mind .. Amen's works a treat also

Thanks a lot for the comments but this isn't really what I'm saying. The idea of things like earthquakes and stuff like that all tho good (and very imaginative) is of course based on a script when you enter a specific zone. I'm talking about contextual actions (that's why I mentioned shooting). I'm talking about small camera shakes in specific actions, again for example, shooting, of when the mag enters the weapon during the reload animation. Small things like that, that I feel conveye information to player. And just as a disclaimer,I know the camera kicks up from the perceived recoil during firing, but I mean more like a shake from left to right.

Detect the player shooting (there is a global variable for that) then get the weapon name and based on that generate a shake.

Simple bit of scripting.

Thank you Amen,I will give it a shot. Although I'd like to have different values for different guns. For example shooting 5.56 wouldn't be the same as firing a .50 bmg. I know I'm probably asking for a lot here. I just thought that, since the mechanic is there with the player trauma, it could be also used in other cases as well.

It's not very realistic though, your eyes don't shake when you do things like reload a weapon or even when you fire it.

You may get something like that if sat in a tank when the main gun fires, or on a ship when the guns go off but not for any actions you are physically responsible for.

I've fired many weapons at the range and even with weapons with considerable recoil you can keep your eyes locked on target during the shot, you don't notice any aberration of vision.

Let me maybe re iterate. I'm talking about and effect similar to moder warfare's style. https://youtu.be/anCIKG8djIg notice here how the camera shakes a bit as well as going up. It's more about conveying the feeling that you are firing a weapon more than anything. Pure visual aesthetic. Its just a nice detail in my eyes. It's conveys info from the game to.player(the sound and animations of course do that as well,but I feel that's an extra detail that adds a lot). Again I'm not talking about anything too exaggerated,just a small detail that you notice more when it's not there than when it is. I hope I'm being clear enough and don't seem like rambling

I understand what you are saying, just pointing out it's not realistic.

Whether it adds something to the experience or detracts from it is a matter of opinion.

I'm not too bothered as long as it can be turned off, I just implemented it and gave it to TGC, what people do with it is up to them.

Not sure what effect this would have in VR ?
If its likely to cause any nauseous then they would probably avoid it.

Camera shake should never be used in VR.

Or could create the max vr camera shake challenge...

you can detect when a gun is fired and what gun it is so it's just a case of doing the logic check and shake as needed.


as someone that gets very easily motion sick in VR i agree but it should/could still be an option as some people will still enjoy it even in VR

It is a general rule for VR that you don't use camera shake effects, I'm not making it up!

I imagine that the effect would be like IRL having your eyeballs moving independently which your brain is not going to like!

The gunfire thing is a tad more difficult in MAX than I first thought, the global variable does not tell you when the gun fires, instead it tells you when the player presses the trigger!

This means that even if the weapon is empty or jammed the variable still goes to 1 when you press the trigger. More importantly it stays at 1 if you keep you finger on the LMB!

I haven't figured out yet how to determine that a single actual shot takes place.

Absolutely not .. Camera shake in VR is certainly to be avoided.
Even watching a bad recording in VR is enough to make you want to throw up.
For some simple forward and rotation is enough to make you sick which is why the teleporting and step rotations are a feature in almost every game.

seems to indeed be a little broken for max in that it registers an empty shot but it does reset to 0 here if the gun doesn't actually keep firing (while held)


count the ammo?
the g_PlayerGunFired variable seems to work correctly in classic though so i assume Max's is just not quite implemented the same atm

So using smallg's method here is a simple gunfire shake script:

Just tried Amen's script, works (almost) like a charm! And i thank him a lot as well as smallg for take the time. I really like the effect, only problem is, as Amen suggested in an earlier post, that the shake is additive, so when you fire full-auto it can get pretty hectic.

Couldn't you check to see if the ammo went down already within x m/s, and if it did, don't shake the screen again?

Also, thanks @AmenMoses, @smallg for the scripts. As usual, they are always much appreciated. Trying to learn from them.

It's just a starting point to show how it can be done, lot's of ways it can be improved upon.

Fair enough! Will look into it when I have time. Thanks again for taking the time to help me out!

Increase the fade value to 2.5-3.0 and the shake will fade enough before the next shot of full auto.

Suggested values to use: Trauma 15, Fade 2.8, Period 30