Product Chat / GameGuru MAX Alpha 5.9 Released!

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LeeBamber
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Posted: 1st Sep 2020 22:33
Hi All,

If you are using GameGuru MAX Alpha 5 you will have noticed it expire from the 1st of September. So you can continue using the alpha I have released Alpha 5.9 to the usual place in your Products tab. Nothing remarkable with this one except you can continue using the build Expect a proper Alpha Build 6 and announcement for it soon!
GameGuru Classic will continue to be supported with bug fixes and functionality additions.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2020 23:10
So alpha 6 will be the last?And the next one will be a beta?
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Posted: 1st Sep 2020 23:19
@osiem80 : I am hoping so, the legacy weapon support delayed things a little, but back on track now
GameGuru Classic will continue to be supported with bug fixes and functionality additions.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2020 23:34
Excellent news!

I assume Alpha 6 will be the first (and last) with the terrain module active?
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Posted: 1st Sep 2020 23:36
Quote: "I assume Alpha 6 will be the first (and last) with the terrain module active?"

That would be nice, today is the live broadcast i hope to see the terrain too finaly
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2020 03:54
osiem80 wrote: "today is the live broadcast"

Actually, if I remember correctly, last week was a live broadcast, so this week we should be getting a sneak peek unless something has changed.
(Also, did the forums change a little? I don’t remember the code section having a drop down menu.)
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2020 06:23
Code has always had a drop down

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2020 08:55
@nerf yes right, today is sneak peak
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I haven't been this excited about a game engine since fps creator x10.

Thanks Lee for this new engine.

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@Belidos Hmm, okay. Maybe I just never paid any attention... lol.
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2020 22:37
Hello
I was wondering if there is going to be a light cap on Game Guru Max ? If remember right Game Guru classic is set at 30 lights in a map or level.
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Posted: 2nd Sep 2020 23:56 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2020 23:57
Quote: "I was wondering if there is going to be a light cap on Game Guru Max ? If remember right Game Guru classic is set at 30 lights in a map or level. "

I wouldnt think so being the Wicked Engine this time round.
But just for the record i have used 100 lights in Classic without any issues.
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2020 06:12
I'm pretty sure the cap on classic is per mesh not per my ap.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2020 16:08
Will we have the ability to add a functional flashlight for the player this time around, that casts dynamic shadows? I recall reading somewhere, or hearing it mentioned in one of these videos that lights will be able to follow waypoints and move around. Can one be attached to the player/camera?
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2020 16:21 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2020 16:27
"Can one be attached to the player/camera?"

Yes, easily enough. But /in GGjr/ doesn't cast shadows (as everyone knows.)
And the other issue in the old system is the light infiltrates past all meshes.
Haven't seen really any information regarding this in GGMAX, and indeed
it's one of the things that has been asked for for a few centuries.

BTW, back in ?? Nov/ Dec last year, it seems like there was a short teaser
video posted by Preben on dynamic shadows cast by lights 4 GGjr.
Whatever happened to that (I don't know), but in Wicked it seems like
that would be taken care of as stock engine feature.
Hello? Where's the info?
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Posted: 5th Sep 2020 07:50
I have a severe issue with Alpha 5.9 - while it runs at a stable 30fps+ framerate, I get lags (freezes) every 25-30 seconds. Duration 3-5 seconds each, and it affects my entire system (not only Max).
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Quote: "I have a severe issue with Alpha 5.9 - while it runs at a stable 30fps+ framerate, I get lags (freezes) every 25-30 seconds. Duration 3-5 seconds each, and it affects my entire system (not only Max)."

@ Ertlov
A couple of people including me have the same problem, if you look at the task manager the CPU spikes at 99% and my comp becomes unresponsive

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Posted: 5th Sep 2020 10:15
yeah, same here.

But hey, managed to squeeze a nice shot out.

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I have had this also, even after I have closed Max down, I think something is left running in the background after Max has quit. Aprt from that it is coming along very nicely indeed.
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Quick question, guys that are getting CPU spikes, are you by chance using AMD processors? The reason I ask is I've tried on four machines now, and I'm not getting any spikes, all four wee intel (7th gen i7, 4th gen i5, 8th gen i5 and a new i9).

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I have the same problem since alpha 4 . Running i7 , NVIDIA 1060 ,16 gig ram on my Acer Predator 17" Laptop . CPU spikes to 99% and GPU the same . It freezes for 5+ seconds and then runs . In editor mode it runs smooth but not in demo ..

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I’m AMD, see specs below

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Top of the pile i5 here and I'm getting it really bad, the Alpha is pretty much unusable for me.

Oh, and before you ask, RTX 2060. (which doesn't spike, pretty much only about 13% loaded, only the CPU core that MAX is suing goes to 100% and I get the 'not responding' message for the process.)

All the other cores are fine and everything else on the machine runs smoothly, only the MAX window is affected.
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I have not installed it, I preferred to wait for the next build, After all, it's coming soon.
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AMD here too. Soon getting a GTX 1070 ti 8Gb so I'm hoping everything might run better.
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Posted: 5th Sep 2020 20:20 Edited at: 5th Sep 2020 20:21
Message from Preben on the Discord ..

Quote: "Yes i know about this problem , we are looking at optimizing everything ( this goes last ) , but first everything need to work. but after that we will look at optimizing things like CPU usage .... its a know problem."
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Quote: "AMD here too. Soon getting a GTX 1070 ti 8Gb so I'm hoping everything might run better."
That will be a serious waste of money, the new 3xxx gtx series especially the 3070 will be around $500.

2070gtx should see a dramatic drop in price after the release which should be in the next few weeks.1070gtx really isn't a good buy unless you can get it seriously cheap and they are getting harder to find.

The really cheap but stupidly powerful alternative is the amd RX580 between $210 and $250 on amazon.While the 1070gtx is faster in many instances with about 20%-30% at above 1080p resolution. It really is the best price/performance card on the market right now, however it is only about 30%-40% faster then the 970gtx.Might not be the best buy.That said it isn't a good time to buy a GPU right now with new releases coming soon which would drive previous gen price down, and considering that the 3xxxgtx series will be 1.5 times faster then the 2xxx series and half the price.Really not worth it getting older gen unless it is a steal even the would be a hard sell.





For about 150 more there is always the RX5600xt which is a 12 gig beast.
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The best card, if you don't need RTX (and who really does at this point?) is the GTX 1080 ti. They should be dropping in price, too, with the advent of the 3xxx series coming out. But the 1080 ti virtually keeps up with the 2080, as far as frame rate, for a fraction of the cost (though not RTX, of course).
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Quote: "The best card, if you don't need RTX (and who really does at this point?) is the GTX 1080 ti. They should be dropping in price, too, with the advent of the 3xxx series coming out. But the 1080 ti virtually keeps up with the 2080, as far as frame rate, for a fraction of the cost (though not RTX, of course"


1080ti is around $599, 3070gtx will be around $500 at least 2-2.5 times faster then the 1080ti, with or without RTX you would be nuts to buy a 1xxx series card.Also not going to drop more then 80-100 in price.There is literally no point buying a 1xxx card, period
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Chasing the rainbow , we will never keep up, Donkey and carrot comes to mind . 8 G GPU memory is handy though

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Posted: 5th Sep 2020 21:43
Depends on if you get a decent secondhand price.

The 2080 is not that much faster than a 1080, sure the new 3080 sounds great, but we have yet to see real tests yet on the new cards. They do sound a good improvement from the 2080 though. Usual cycle, 2nd gen of new tech is always significantly better than the first.
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Heh, well, got my 1080 ti for about $300 ... so ... I'm okay with it.
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Posted: 5th Sep 2020 21:52 Edited at: 5th Sep 2020 21:55
1080 is a bargain (for now) compared to the 2080 release price I blame bitcoin miners for the rise in gpu price over the last several years. they have been severely overpriced.

The 1660 may be a good budget card as well if prices drop accordingly.

Edit - Well I say budget, still £200 or so, but a good card for the price.
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I remember the day when i was the man with who started with the S3 Trio later to upgrade to the mind blowing Voodoo 3DFX card .. Ahh memories
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Quote: "The 2080 is not that much faster than a 1080, sure the new 3080 sounds great, but we have yet to see real tests yet on the new cards. They do sound a good improvement from the 2080 though. Usual cycle, 2nd gen of new tech is always significantly better than the first."


Actually their mid tier 3070GTX beats the 2080RTX and is one and half times faster, the 3080 RTX is a beast on it's own and doesn't even compare to the 2080RTX.

The problem is a unique one in that nvidia had extremely low yields per waffer with their 1XXX and 2XXX series of cards which inflated prices drastically. With the 3xxx series Nvidia partnered with samsung to produce their 8nm chips and to improve yields per waffer.
So not only are the cards faster the price has been driven down due to production costs. Last time this happened with nvidia was in 2004 nearly 16 years ago, which is also the time they had switched over from AGP to pcie with their FX5 series, was also the last time a new generation mid tier card destroyed the top end card of the the previous gen. 8800GT came pretty close and was also card that made no sense as it beat out the GTS of the first version of the 8800 series.

So releases this year is pretty special and unique, it will also mean with AMD release they will have to match pricing wise or under cut them to get their units moving as they will also be releasing new cards in the near future, intel will also be releasing their new line up of dedicated GPU's which is going to interesting. Apple is also switching over to ARM CPUs and GPUs, which means AMD is going to lose some revenue with their AMD GPU's in the desktop and portable markets.

This unique situation means there is far less value in the 1XXX and 2XXX, and not really worth is due to the price reduction of the new releases.
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Posted: 6th Sep 2020 12:46 Edited at: 6th Sep 2020 12:53
To me the new cards and better pricing sounds like it should produce a secondhand bonanza! New cards are cheap, so people will not expect to get anything like new card money for secondhand cards. Even secondhand 1080's have been pretty expensive up to now. Depends on how well supply meets demand I suppose.

Edit - Ha Syncro I think an S3 trio was my first video card. Although back then I upgraded my video card as soon as a new one came along, too much disposable income. Went through all sorts of cards including Intel's first 3D cards on the scene (which weren't too bad considering the price!) Had a Matrox Mystique as well, but soon moved to a Millenium and a 3dfx, then after that the voodoo 2's lol. I wouldn't like to think how much money I could have saved by holding back a little on video card purchases!
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My first card was a Hercules CGA chip set, my second was the EGA version lol

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It looks like 3º gen of cards doesn't have issues with non-power-of-two textures.
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Quote: "It looks like 3º gen of cards doesn't have issues with non-power-of-two textures."
Hasn't been an issue with hardware for quite some time, but the actual software and API layers. openGL has supported NOPT textures since 2.0
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Posted: 7th Sep 2020 17:55
I am getting a steady 60 frames, however I am also getting freezes sometimes it rights itself and continues, sometimes it closes down. Weather system is not working correctly etc. Also player gets stuck on models and structure editor buildings. I await next version.
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This is a because the code is not optimised yet (from Preben)

Quote: "however I am also getting freezes sometimes it rights itself and continues, sometimes it closes down. "


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can we have volumetric clouds in gg-max ?
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There is a pretty good sky system in place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMTNkNpB4Jw

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