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Is it possible to upgrade to MAX If I have Game Guru? Or I have to buy MAX and If possible develop for oculus quest with Max?
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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 12:24
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Hi there Dany, there is no upgrade option as GGMax is a separate product

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While there is no upgrade option going from GameGuru Classic to GameGuru MAX, MAX is being offered at a substantial discount to purchase it now as opposed to waiting until it's release in September. So, if you purchase soon, you can get it at a substantial discount.
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According to the Newsletter it will hold its current price until the pandemic is over .
Nice one TGC.
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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 14:21
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No since max is only 4 win 10, sadly.
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Quote: "No since max is only 4 win 10, sadly."


It is being promoted as only for Win 10 ONLY because of the VR stuff. You should be able to run GameGuru MAX on any Windows system that supports 64-bits ... so Windows 7 and up?
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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 15:33
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Atleast, the minimum system requirements says windows 10 so idk.
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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 15:50 Edited at: 5th Apr 2020 16:03
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Quote: "It is being promoted as only for Win 10 ONLY because of the VR stuff. You should be able to run GameGuru MAX on any Windows system that supports 64-bits ... so Windows 7 and up?"

Its Risky if your on anything other than 10 as there wont be any fixes or support for any other OS should issues crop up as features get added.
I would stick with the Windows 10 only statement so you know your good to go.
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Win 7 and 10 run on different dx versions right?Theres a handful win 10 only claimed softwares that actually can be run on win 7, age of empires definitive 4 example but its a 2d game.
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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 17:07 Edited at: 5th Apr 2020 17:12
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I believe that if we want a game engine with some advanced features, we need an operating system that meets the necessary requirements to be able to enjoy them.
Of course let's not forget the hardware, ram, card, and so on.

Users interested in VR, well, comments are superfluous. (I can't quote many things here because I have no idea.)

Guys get ready to scratch your pocket if you want to enjoy VR.
Get reay windows for TTL, I mean get all the narrators of more windows you can, so they will have a variety of voices. It would not hurt to search some online website, there are many that offer this service for free. In summary, prepare a good library of voices or whatever it is called in English.

Try to understand the concept of LUA so that you can better understand and use the new LUA editor, I don't know what it will be like, but maybe it will help to better learn how LUA works in GG or GGMax.

Think about what GGMax will offer and get ready to enjoy it.

Do not waste time regretting what could have been and was not.

Ask, suggest new features, I myself have requested that GG and GGMax include a "SendKey" command in LUA, this would help to take screenshots, to use in the Savegame menu, and I can think of more applications for this command.

Anyway guys I do not want anyone to misunderstand me, they are just councils of an old fool.

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Quote: "Its Risky if your on anything other than 10 as there wont be any fixes or support for any other OS should issues crop up as features get added.
I would stick with the Windows 10 only statement so you know your good to go."


True. However, it was Lee, himself, answering someone else about this "Windows 10 only" thing who stated the only reason MAX is Windows 10 is due to the VR requirements. So, as long as you have a Windows OS that is 64-bit, you should be okay.

Quote: "Win 7 and 10 run on different dx versions right?"


Windows 10 is DirectX 12 and 12 is not supposed to be on any previous versions of Windows. However, there have been a few DirectX 12 games that have been allowed to run on Windows 7 (World of Warcraft, for example). But is GameGuru MAX DirectX 12? If not, then you should have no issues running it on a previous version of Windows.

In all honesty, you should be updating to Windows 10 any way. Mainstream support for Windows 7 ended in January of this year and Windows 10 fixes the many issues of Windows 8.
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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 20:20 Edited at: 5th Apr 2020 20:25
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World of Warcraft is not a dx12 game, it is a dc9 game that has had dx11 and dx12 updates, and detects which to run based on your machine.

Max will very likely run fine in other versions of Windows, but certain features won't work, augmented reality and some of the microsoft VR stuff being the main reason, it's nothing to do with direct X, its because those things are designed for Windows 10 and simply won't work on other version.

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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 20:44 Edited at: 5th Apr 2020 20:46
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Quote: "World of Warcraft is not a dx12 game, it is a dc9 game that has had dx11 and dx12 updates, and detects which to run based on your machine."


https://www.pcgamer.com/microsoft-finally-ports-directx-12-to-windows-7-but-only-for-certain-games/

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Quote: "By "act," Microsoft means it's working with a select group of developers to port existing DX12 games to Windows 7. The first (and so far only) game to gain DX12 support in Windows 7 is World of Warcraft, enabled with the 8.1.5 patch."


So, yes, you are correct, the game itself was not DirectX12, but it can be via the patch. Therefore, my original point is supported - that there are even a few DirectX 12 games on Windows 7.

Quote: "Max will very likely run fine in other versions of Windows, but certain features won't work, augmented reality and some of the microsoft VR stuff being the main reason, it's nothing to do with direct X, its because those things are designed for Windows 10 and simply won't work on other version."


Which is almost exactly what I said above:

Quote: "It is being promoted as only for Win 10 ONLY because of the VR stuff. You should be able to run GameGuru MAX on any Windows system that supports 64-bits ... so Windows 7 and up?"
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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 21:14
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I would be grate to anyone who explained me a bit more clearly how GGX will support vr games development for windows mixed reality headsets. I mean, will it be possible to set as controllers the headset's controllers and manage movement with teleport and handle pickupable objects (picking up and throwing them)? Or will it work just "conventional" joypad (I obviosly don't consider keyboard&mouse for vr)?
If headset's controllers will be usable, how will they have to be setted as controllers in the engine? And also, will it be available a "vr editing mode" displaying first person player's hands?
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Posted: 5th Apr 2020 22:08
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We don't know yet, nobody has seen any of it yet because it's not been finished yet.

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My point was It doesn't matter whether it runs on other 64 bit OS's or not at the moment
Even now we get bug reports that only effect 7 … The difference is they wont get fixed in Max.
As long as it runs fine on 10 then that will be it so its still a gamble if after 2 updates it has issues with other OS's.
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Posted: 7th Apr 2020 11:18 Edited at: 7th Apr 2020 11:21
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Honestly, this is a very exciting moment. If GG will not work at Win7, I personally will have to refuse to buy Max..
Maybe in the far future I will switch to some version like "Windows20", but not on Win10
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Quote: "Maybe in the future I will switch to some version like "Windows20", but not on Win10"

Windows 10 is Excellent IMHO.
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Posted: 7th Apr 2020 12:29
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@Tauren : No need to upgrade to MAX. GameGuru Classic will continue to be supported with bug fixes and functionality additions
GameGuru Classic will continue to be supported with bug fixes and functionality additions.

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Posted: 7th Apr 2020 12:33
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Yeah, since Windows 10 first launch (Insider) I have had very few issues, and the ones I did have on occasion were normally just aesthetics.

The current version is as stable as Mount Rushmore. Zero issues for me. There is simply no way I could go back to any previous version of windows.

Good hardware coupled with latest Win10 is the way to go IMO - I can't imagine why anyone would want to stay with any previous version.

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Posted: 7th Apr 2020 13:21 Edited at: 7th Apr 2020 13:22
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Quote: "I can't imagine why anyone would want to stay with any previous version."

Usually my customers tried the Upgrade which was shoddy at best giving a totally wrong impression so I offered a clean install of 10 and said if your not happy I will reinstall 7 free .. Never had a comeback and I did a lot
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Yep. Totally love Windows 10. I work heavily in it with both 2D and 3D content creation. File sizes tend to be quite large and the system can be pretty heavily taxed with doing 3D renders. Despite this, I've not had a crash. I also run quite a few games at 4k, ultra settings, and they run well. I've had a few crashes, but they ended up being game-specific, not Windows 10. Windows 10 has been rock solid for me.
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Quote: "Yep. Totally love Windows 10. I work heavily in it with both 2D and 3D content creation. File sizes tend to be quite large and the system can be pretty heavily taxed with doing 3D renders. Despite this, I've not had a crash. I also run quite a few games at 4k, ultra settings, and they run well. I've had a few crashes, but they ended up being game-specific, not Windows 10. Windows 10 has been rock solid for me."


Snap , same for me . Often have 4 programs running at the same time . Modelling texture painting ect , rock solid

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It took me a long time to abandon XP, but I must admit that windows 10 is ideal, it has its flaws, but that software in continuous development does not.
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win 10 supposed to be the last one, i dont believe it
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Quote: "win 10 supposed to be the last one, i dont believe it"

Well in theory we get complete "Builds" now once In a while which are pretty much new versions installed along with the updates so since its release we are probably on an equivalent of Windows 11 or 12
Its 5 years old now but still feels fresh and new to me ..
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Good option so we dont need to buy a new windows again and again every few years, iam sure they will recognize a big incoming lost and then decide to release a new version.
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Quote: "Windows 11 Release Date: Microsoft will release Windows 11 on July 29, 2020, and will be available to the general public. Windows 11 update: The operating system will be available through Update Centre in Windows 10 and Windows 7."


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.window11updates.com/amp/

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Quote: "Good option so we dont need to buy a new windows again and again every few years, iam sure they will recognize a big incoming lost and then decide to release a new version."


You do realize that the OS is not the only thing that Microsoft creates, right? If you research how Microsoft makes money, you will find that they generate BILLIONS in profit from licensing, computer and gaming hardware (XBox anyone?), phone hardware, various commercial licensing, and much more. The fact that their OS is so widespread helps with a lot of this. So, they can give away the Windows OS all day long, every day, for now on and forever, and they would not lose a cent, but only become more profitable.
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Now Micro$oft is updating everyone to the last build of W10. They are preparing beta-testers for w12 thought.
I myself am happy with w10.
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I could swear (but don't want to) that Microsoft, Good ol Billy Gates,
must have extended Xbox GamePass for all users of the Xbox-- or at least
those who already had it. ----- I'm supposing as a kind, philanthropic gesture,
for the pandemic Couch Sitters law --------

Once it showed we needed to renew GamePass @ $44.95 for the next 3 months.
But when getting on there a couple days ago-- we still have it, with no notice.
Could I be mistaken?!
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They may well have extended it for people due to current circumstances.

Windows 10 btw is pretty good. Rarely have any issues. Certainly not with modern titles and apps. Older ones, yeah can be ropey. Windows 10 is supposedly the last version and was always supposed to be. Obviously will be updated, but no totally new versions are planned.
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W11 / W12 are more oriented to leisure, shopping in windows store, photos, videos, skipy, and the Xbox, apart from that and some cosmetic change, is the W10.
I think I can live without all that, and if the upgrade costs money, even more.
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Hmmm... Weird. Now Xbox needs game pass money again... Poo!
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Posted: 10th Apr 2020 14:23
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@LeeBamber: thanks, It's a very good news!
But if Max starts on Win7 64bit (I do not have VR), it will be just fine.
..Although i now thought and decided that I will buy MAX on release, at least in gratitude for the support of the GG Classic.
Unfortunately, I can’t afford to pre-order, as a minimum in the near future.
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Posted: 10th Apr 2020 14:34 Edited at: 10th Apr 2020 14:57
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@all: Honestly, I don't like Win7 too much(but at least it is acceptable), but win10 have such an unfortunate combination of several features that I personally feel unpleasant to use it, even when I just have to help someone set up his system.
However, thanks for the information about Win11, I did not know the latest news. Perhaps the new version will be nicer.

(Yes, I'm a WinXP dinosaur XP usability was the best of all and needed only some improvements(I mean exactly UI and amenities, the system core definitely needs to be updated to modern needs. So then I started with the ZX-Spectrum, then DOS and Win3.11 > Win9X. But all about XP this is only Imho, of course. )
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