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Wow! Is that a joke? Steam really needs some kind of quality control.

To bad steam can't confirm with GG first before they release a game made by GG

Atleast its free , unlike masterpiecec like Nazi, Nazishootout, Nazi 2......
They realy blame us and GameGuru, after reviewing this "games" people says that u can only make games like this in GG and the engine is a joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0whUDfVShqU&t=67s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DATK7tUH9I&t=510s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN4fhwchGUM&t=520s
However, the game was made by "TWOODY PRODUCTIONS", the website is dead
https://gamejolt.com/@twoody9295

I wander how long it took him to write the review ,at least it cheered me up.

Dave

Lol - Yeah, intense? Now that is funny.

Doesn't bother me what people say about the engine used to create rubbish like that. Anyone with half a brain knows it is the developer that makes a good or bad game - has nothing to do with the tools used.

It is obvious that game has had no design skills put in play at all. Didn't even put any thought into the title for it. Not even worth the viewing bandwidth let alone bothering to download it.

Certainly got a giggle out of the intro for it thou.....

Reliquia....

Someone who had £100 to waste obviously :p

Steam is full of these masterpieces. They come in all shapes and colours. You get obvious cashgrabbers and then you get those who think they actually made a good game with a result like this and have the audacity to argue with people reviewing it. Oh well...

The only GG games I know of so far being in acceptable quality to be sold on steam are Hunted: One step too far and Fathers Island.
I remember well when having a game on steam was something to be proud of, now its just a dumping ground.

Don't expect this tide to stop unless Valve steps in. A garbage asset flip is basically ready in a weekend while a decent game requires years to be developed.



-Wolf

A strong argument for removing save standalone I never thought that when I set out to make game making easier I would be in part responsible for this kind of economy. Not sure what we can do about it now, as they say, the horse has well and truly bolted, and the barn door flaps around on its hinges with a sheepish look on its face.

I hope that was a only a joke, pls no Mr.Bamber.

That's true, anyone could do it with any engine. So that makes it look suspicious!
Don't forget politics. It's probably not, seeing the custom (I guess?) models,
but people could do this simply to spite GG (make it look silly.)
It could happen. I think some of the reviewers hunt down these games
in order to ridicule the engine-- to knock the competition! Hu?!
Someone even created a list of them, and the reviews are not uplifting.

Let's not follow their lead, be effected or cave in. Let's move forward!

Just put my game today for Steam validation.

@LeeBamber: Haha! It is what it is now
Accessible easy to learn tools always end up in a lot of lesser work, there is nothing anyone can do about but the people allowing it to be sold through their plattform. Engines are entire development kits now and come with packages that make them even easier to pick up for more and more people, GG being the easiest on the market, this type of games is a side effect of that.
But well, there have been bad games in the past.

Theres only one platform to blame for all this and its ... STEAM !!
They even made it easier for themselves to get more money ( 100 bucks a title ) via steam direct and it no longer goes to charity either.
Who cares what the games like as long as they get your fee they are sweet ..

Ye they say you get in back ( assuming you make a 1000 bucks from your game ) but the interest they make on those thousands of payments in their bank account is way more profitable and you don't even actually get the actual cash back … just redeemed so perhaps they just take 20 percent instead of 30 for a few months … I can make rubbish in any engine but for 100 bucks steam will still allow it ..

Yeah, this is purely Steam rubbish quality control. Unfortunately GG gets a bad rap for being associated with it. People buy templates off of the Unity asset store and simply upload a build of the template they purchased.

That isn't a game, it's a travesty. Shocking and awful in the extreme. Steam really needs to tighten up its quality control.

Maybe change to "Origin"?

If you think that's bad, check out this unity gem ....

yes ,i agree Belidos, not up to standard. lol.

The funniest part there was the credits. "3D Modeling" really? Where exactly?

Haha yeah, absolute proof that Unity users can be as bad, if not worse, than GameGuru users :p

And again you can only blame steam for allowing such trash

I have a genuine Steam recommendation for you all, "The Dead Tree of Ranchiuna" is the latest from the wizard Tonguc Bodur.

Haha, just watched the video for that, my first reaction was to think "OMG those toilet rolls are round the wrong way, oh wait no, they're supposed to be switches"

I have all his games, in fact I don't even bother reading reviews when he releases a new one I just hit buy.

They are all 'walking simulators' but my doctor says I need more exercise.

If you like walking simulators, i can recommend one by funcom, it's called "The Park", it's a great walking simulator with soe nice freaky jumpy bits, and some awesome tie ins with their MMO The Secret World.

@AmenMoses - I see I have that on my wishlist, guess I'll be getting it then

I used to get kind of vivid over this sort of thing, but now that i have kind of expanded to using multiple engines (still including GG) it doesnt urk me as much. Its really the trolling that is unfortunate, where people upload a GG demo with a price tag, or do a quick asset flip. Kind of hurts the GG brand or it gets cursed with "this looks like one of those GG asset flips" -- if you happen to have any of the same stock assets in your actual game you make.

In a way these people have found ways to make money and in a business sense... i guess that's not bad for them. Ethically and morally not great but if they are making money im sure they are happy. And if this isn't a problem for TGC or Steam the only people it really effects is us. But this is not entirely a bad thing... as I believe this just encourages or challenges us to do better.

Forces us to put more effort into our games and really make the assets stand out more in a unique way. Better lighting, slight retexturing and just being a bit more creative with the level layouts. Avoid using the default HUD and sounds and common assets and you should be fine. Also pick up some nifty scripts to help diversify your game more so its not just a typical combat solider shot em up. Have a few hidden puzzles or interactions.

I'll plug some of the work ive done here to enhance GG a bit:

Weapon Wheel (using stock weapons icons, stock weapon data and stock sounds)


Rain drops on Screen


I strongly recommend that people check out the free assets section of the forums and smallg and others free scripting sections too. There are a lot of gems in the community that can really help and enhance your game so its not just a typical GG experience. Also grab a program like Gimp or Photoshop and modify some of the stock textures a bit. That's the best advise i can really give in situations like this.

Once i saw GG was getting ripped apart online for the games showing up on Steam, i started really seeing what i can do to either make my games look unique, or actually enhance the stock material in ways that make people think twice. It should be noted that Unity gets a similar stigma, yet AAA studios use it all the time and for the most part the consumers are unaware.

You can give a person oil paints, but that doesn't mean they'll paint the Mona Lisa. In fact for a lot of users, this is their first time even holding a paintbrush.

AE

CS:GO style

Just because they are on steam doesn't actually mean they make anything .. They would probably have been better keeping the 100 bucks
Many fail to even get half a dozen sales and by that time your reps out the window anyway ..
Ertlov will tell you its hard work to make money even with a good game

Absolutely true as well, synchromesh!
(In fact, its incredibly hard to monetize anything creative.)

As a matter of fact, I make now more from my novels than from my games.
Let that sink in.

I think another reason we have a lot of people just throwing stuff up on steam is because this community is too nice.

I've seen quite a few things thrown out there that are mediocre at best, and really shouldn't be released, but (apart from a few who say it as it is) we as a community heap praise on them and give them false confidence, and they don't learn by their mistakes.

I'd say i was one of those people for a long time, and maybe still am a little, I've posted some truly terrible work which everyone's been so nice about, which is why i keep working on models and changing them when many would say job done (my OCD and paranoia are a factor in that too).

For example there is one community member that has great talent with models, but his/her texturing leaves a lot to desire, he/she makes the UV islands far too small, and the individual textures way too big, so the models although structurally are great, visually are stretched and blurry, and he/she sells them on the store that way, and here's why he/she will never learn, because even now i'm going out of my way to be a nice guy and not mention his/her name, because i don't want to hurt his/her feelings and look like the bad guy, and i'm sure there are many of us on here that do that.

What we need as a community is more people to say it as they see it and help people improve their work with some constructive criticism, i for one would welcome any constructive criticism of my work any time.

Lol, now all you've done is made the modellers paranoid.

You will all be hurling ngons (whatever they are) at each other next.

Lol

lol - yep you got me. Now I have that "they're looking\following\talking about at me" feeling.

Or maybe I just being paranoid

I better go make coffee now

EDIT: Coffee consumed - feel better now - I think

Perhaps I should have a go at making an Ngong Cannon - mowahahahaha

Reliquia....

"He who is without inverse normals, throw the first ngon".

I'm sure that's a quote from somebody famous ...

love the rain video, looks wet , congrats to the creator , of that clip

So, the moral of this story is if you can't say anything negative, don't say anything at all?

Don't know but it's a bit like me saying one of the scripters in the store writes crap code but I won't say who. Sort of makes everyone think it's them.

Instead I'll just say that one of the scripters in the store is excellent.

luckily i cant script or do modeling. hahaha

Everyone says they want 'constructive criticism' but in reality what they want is praise. It's like when your wife asks 'Does this skirt make my bum look big', the answer is not 'No, your bum does a fine job of that on its own'.

@Belidos:

Haha! Yes. This has always been the case with TGC communities. Other gaming communities I've been a part of have been far more critical yet helpful and have formed far better developers as a result. However, the flipside of that is that less newbies and amateurs feel welcome and that is a large part of GG's target audience.

For me its intent and age.
When I know someone is an adult and has a commercial goal in mind with his game I try to give constructive and honest criticism but if someone is a kid just having fun I hold that back. Sadly a lot of times what I interpreted as someones hobby project will eventually end up on steam with a price tag. I understand that working on something for a while warps ones perception of it ...especially when its developed in a facebook hugbox of someones friends and family. Before putting something out as a product I believe anyone should have the ability to take a step back and look at it as a potential customer. But alas...

I'd also like to point out that this used to be different. The whole tone used to be different as well and it was less prevalent that everyone picking up game development immediately felt like their first map was obviously flawless, and worth other peoples time and even money. This has drastically changed since engines became so accessible and certain internet distribution services dropped all pretense of quality control. Farming likes on social media seems to play a big role too.

Despite trying to be fair I've been called many things in the past for commenting on some projects but community members also often reach out to me to get my opinion which I find very encouraging.

So I agree with Belidos, we have people on here with far more talent than me and actual industry experience so I'd also like to see more of their input on the work in progress section. Also telling people where to find software, what to use and how to do things. It does not only help the OP but also other people that might read the thread.



Its true a lot of times yet I am sure that many of the more engaged users on here actually really want constructive criticism.

This thread is responsible for me developing a new love of watching YouTubers tear into crappy Game Guru games. It's amazing what some people have the gall to put out on Steam as cash grab.

AE

I don't think CashGrab works anymore though ..100 bucks to approve your game ( each one )
2 sales along with really 2 bad reviews and your pretty much done these days
Perhaps that was steams plan all along … Once bitten Perhaps they think they wont bother trying again unless they have something worthy of actually making money ..

No, i said nothing of the sort, almost the opposite infact. I'm saying people here tend to just praise peoples work without reviewing it and telling them what's wrong and how to fix it, so they never learn, and continue to make mistakes.

@Wolf Yup, you get what i meant, and yes you're one of the few that tells people when they're doing it wrong, and give a lot of advice, you're invaluable to this forum.



Absolutely true, however what people want and what people actually need are two totally different things, sometimes people need a kick up the backside to set them in the right direction.

@Reliquia. Don't worry, your work is pretty gosh darned good, i don't think i've ever seen anything majorly wrong with it. ps: i still can't get used to the name "Reliquia" i miss OldFlak LOL

But if you don't identify who is making mistakes how are they supposed to learn anything?

Exactly Amen, that's what i'm saying.