Is GG going to have Parallax mapping or Tessellation mapping. I hope so it really brings normal maps to life.
Example

This is my opinion only but right off the bat .... The first pictures on normal look perfectly good to me ... medium and high just look like bloated exaggerations of the first pic and really don't give me a WOW factor ... For me its a waste of resources...
Others may not agree though ?

I have to agree here,starting to see a lot of over pumped normals lately.it just dosent look real life to me.

Edit. Although it might be good for pipes and wires on panels.


Dave

first picture with bricks i think is worth its weight in gold, it brings bricks to life,

as to other things yeah, like having swimming weather day and nights, a working world environment that is working, and then mess with parallax, etc

i know there are scripts etc, but underwater swimming with effects for under. like x10 has. also particles are a good thing, and good ai, which is being worked on next, 6 years i been waiting for a world environment, instead we get extras that are not essential to the engine. to my knowledge. anyway day and night with weather timers etc. there are workarounds but i think after ai the world environment needs some tlc.

the tlc has gone to a buiding editor and upgrade to 11 which should of been the iitial move. would of saved a year of messing around.
can you actually come and give us world environment treatment as its just no where near manageable to present to anyone at moment.

you want the amazing photos for getting sales. give us world weather nights and day cycles, particles and good working water then i will give you your showcase and i am sure the others wil too. sort the world out after ai and i will get you sales. a promise

That was me i geuss with the pomped up normals.

But think of this, while it might be overboard for the average wall or floor, it does look good on pebbles and old castle walls, it really transforms the scene.

Lee has gone for parallax occlusion.
While i'm learning and trying out things, it seems that we can achieve the same result with parallax mapping as is seen in the picture with tessellation.
But i agree, to much is not good and it is a true skill to make good PBR textures.

To me it looks way better. Adds a lot of depth to any texture. Is parallax occlusion added yet? Or is that what hes working on now?

I think it is still being worked on, i have actually not really tested if the height map is working in the preview version.

I did find this little programm with which we can preview different techniques.

It's pretty sure, but I'd rather have core engine function than some more new, barely working, shiny stuff.

Yes i partly agree with this , but ...

The problem we have and maybe i am wrong,,, Is that we all want to have different things, and we all keep on complaining to have new things ( and i am one of them ) even thou the ones we have right now is not working 100% perfectly. maybe we must start with one thing and finished it before we jump to the next thing / upgrade / new release, of what we want. I think Lee is at this stage maybe pretty tired off all the request from our side. ( maybe not ) , if i were Lee i would not take on any more request until i have fix or upgrade the things we have now to a state were we can definitely say , ok its fine lets move on to the next most important thing what ever it may be.

Just a though .

Thanks for the hard work lee.

If I was Lee I wouldn't take ANY requests, until the core engine, core features, and everything on the store blurb is in place and working properly, and efficiently, at which point I would go back to the voting system for ADDITIONAL features. The way it is now, we jus end up going around in circles arguing over what we want personally, and meanwhile core issues don't get resolved fully.

Yep.

Dave

All I care about is easy custom character import. PBR is nice yes, but its moot unless I can use my own characters. But since I know import is not going to be fixed any time soon I was wanting to play with nothing but PBR.

Same.

- Copy and Pasting Select Groups of Entities
- Entity on Grid Drawing Mode (Similar to EBE drawing)
- Switch Skyboxes via LUA (day and night)
- Dynamically control sun position via LUA (day and night)
- Stock Swimming script (integrated with global player LUA)
- Custom weapon and projectile modifications
- Fix Explosion Shadows
- Fix footfall material index sounds with custom terrains
- Particle Effects System (next up on the feature list)
- AI improvements (navigation and raycasting)
- 3rd Person weapons changing
- Background Video (featured in FPSCx9)
- Blood decals to cling to walls and floor (featured in FPSCx9)
- Bullet holes and gashes decals (featured in FPSCx9)
- Material Index sound folder for pushing, bumping objects (featured in FPSCx9)
- Multiple Grass types

I think those would be more important than flashy stuff at the moment. But that's just me Of course.. most important is finishing off what is started. PBR, bugs associated with DX11.

@ Teabone - I agree with what you have listed there 100%. Those are the basic features that should have been implemented a long time ago.

@Teabone - That list is absolutely correct, the engine would be so much more capable if it had those basic basic features, a lot of which existed back in FPSC X9/X10! I really do hope Lee tries to sort this out once and for all

i actually think my requests are core to the engine. and ebe is finished, character creator only needs new models, 2 finished and not core parts to the engine, x11 as now been implemented and also we have had ai boosted x 2 now, and the amount of speed ups and options and times to speed up the engine is probably 3 years and continues, we have for 6 years had acid water, a fixed box sky with basic settings etc etc, now core?

what is core?

a working engine tick
a optimised engine tick
now x11 tick
a basic environment tick
occluders and down grade options tick
lots of new shiny lua commands tick
functioning physics tick
3rd person now tick
1st person tick
shaders tick
thats core and the ticks mean they have been done, now you say lets finish them off well the above list says done and working, some will always be updating like optimising etc.

shaders will need more work and thats core,
ai needs more work thats core

ebe and cc err not core

a working environment for games? i think thats core. otherwise you cant make games
this will be weather, day/night swimming, better water, and particles, i think without these a whole selection of genres are not possible, there for i believe they are pretty core and a lot of people are wanting these, now a huge killer is ai, and i think lighting! night scenes are pretty shocking with the switching on and off of lights within areas, this is pretty much a deal breaker, street lights are shocking to light etc, and in dungeons the same,

in the end PC Killer i see your point and i totally agree with not hounding him, but it appears i could just sit quiet and wait another 6 YEARS while everyone else goes on about what they want, and it is sad to say if you dont speak up you dont get heard, see how you are in 6 years without core functions you have been waiting on, it is not a go but i feel i am able to point out that the world environment needs a lot of work too,

anyway i am sure i have not been to demanding but there are a lot of people who want to have skyrims and other types. i dont begrudge anything done its a bonus but i have been waiting 6 years to still not ave swimming anywhere near getting done and the other stuff too.


happy days

sb

@science boy and everyone else who has been waiting for so long. i feel sorry for you guys, i can understand how you feel. lets hope all comes wright very soon.

Parallax Occlusion Mapping and Offset Bump Mapping in GG (first is normal mapped, them POM, then OBM):



Cheers

@ Cybernescence - Wow! How did you achieve that in GG? Looks awesome!

Cyber that looks really good well done are there any downsides ? is it 'interpolated' or does it effect the vertices? nice work

Experimenting with shaders a lot lately. The DX11 pipeline should allow us to use parallax mapping and tesselation.

@synchromesh: Oh yes! As with most shader effects the artist using it matters as much as the technical advancement. I notice a lot of newer indie games that blow parallax mapping way out of proportion. If used right it can be quite impressive though.

@ Wolf - Wowzers! That screenshot looks very impressive!

Functioning Physics ... tick? That's a joke right?

@AmenMoses: No? Why? I think its working sufficiently well. Click here for a video.

@ solar @ graphix

The GG pbr shader didn't do anything with the height texture assignment so I ported it in.

Can upload it to git at some point if anyone wants it and Lee ok with it. Be warned though it sucks FPS so use sparingly . It doesn't effect geometry all done with tangent space uv remapping via ray queries.

Wolfs version may well be better though - looks great.

Cheers.

I would like to check it out when you post it to GitHub.

Wolf
Experimenting with shaders a lot lately. The DX11 pipeline should allow us to use parallax mapping and tesselation.


HOW DID YOU DO THAT? It is vitally important for me that I can not repeat the same thing!)

Woah! hold your horses fellas. I didn't do that, It was just an example to show moderate use of that effect I pulled of the web. Sorry for causing confusion.



-Wolf