I'm sure some of them will already be answered but i'm about a few weeks into this thing here and i kinda like it but i have a few

well , a thousand but i'll keep it short ('as short as short goes when i start talkin)
please don't flame, if anything has already been answered feel free to link and re-direct me, i'm not in the habit of asking much so i hope the goodwill of the community will indulge me here ...

first of all its GREAT okay, it's got a zound of things to do but its great okay then

first i was wonder fps- and renderwise ... i got this map i'm modelling to the neighbourhood where i live, social housing project from the 70s when this was a rich country ... theres several types of houses i brought it down to six (equals six house models) now the question #1 ... i read about the euhm drawcalls and stuff BUT
if i get a model like for instance the bungalows i use (all very very very low vertex/polygon count)



the fps is quite decent for a map about a square kilometer (real life size) now i wanna keep the polygon count as low as possible, using this one as a "nexus" map leading to many many minimaps and games smaller in size with more detailed models , HOWEVER

i was gonna keep it short, right ... the bungalows on the mid level dont have garage doors but the ones on the bottom do, SO
(well there's more to it, the place is over 45 years old, many people have different front doors and whatever) if i use textures instead of modelled inset windows and door the combinations are limitless i can just take pictures of doors and windows and gates and use them as "paste into" in gimp
which leads me to the actual question, performance -wise the same model with a different texture ? cos its the same amount of pixels ofcourse, how is that treated by the engine ? i understand its not simply a x-times drawcall b/c of the texture but im also no expert on directx maybe different textures on identical models dont count for as much load as different models alltogether so id like to, if anyone could shed some light on that know, so i can gauge just a little ...
i mean if the fps count is decent when all is in place i could add 'physical' chimneys (for instance) on each house which increases the vertex count by at least four but probably double or more that (and hence the polygon count per entity by even more etc)

am i making sense here ? i know im the master of chaos ... so that's question one ... should i ? or should i put the other question in another thread ?

cos i had this idea on GG-demos, like show off the lua ? but i'm not sure how much you can do with timers ? (i date back to the atari 2600 so i lived through the whole c64 demoscene and those guys were all like omg this is what i do with 64k and , but ..

well)
't is to say for instance how well could i fit routines into a strict timer ?

say i want a bouncing ball, which should be possible since i've seen lua give the option for absolute positioning AND has math functions which goes to the beat of let's say 500 milliseconds per bass kick ... assuming i use a wav file i render with lmms or something for the music

is that actually possible ?

timing the motion to the sound i mean, cuz it would require a process starting at the EXACT time the wavfile starts and also require skipping frames if necessary when 500ms have passed ...
so thats question two ...

i'm sorry for the chaos

i'll leave the other 5000 questions for later ...

if anyone could indulge me here , pretty please ?

Holy wall of text!

Ok, so to answer what questions I can answer:
1) You will probably never get flamed here. This is probably the tamest online forum I've ever been on.
2) Yes, you can use different textures for the models. While I don't know the memory storage method being used, I believe you can probably create a separate FPE file with a different texture but using the same model and effectively get some minor speed or memory savings in that respect. That aside, it doesn't sound terribly intensive and shouldn't be an issue you'd ever notice either way unless you're putting like 30-50 different types of garage doors in.
3) The bouncing ball thing is a lua script question that all I can say is - huh? I'm not sure what you're asking. You might be better served by putting a dedicated lua scripting question in the appropriate subforum where us coders lurk. That said, please try to be more clear with respect to what you want. At this point all I can tell is you want a bouncing musical ball

All models require their textures to be loaded into memory, the more textures the more memory you need... Its best to keep things as simple as possible sure but I don't think duplicating the entire texture for a door is worthwhile if you're doing it many times (you could load a door texture in something like 32x32 for example while the entire house will likely need at least 512x512)... So yes draw calls can be a problem if you get really high numbers but only really when you're placing many many objects (like filling out the entire houses) and I would recommend doing separate objects (doors and windows etc) over separate textures.

There is a "to the beat" video in the GG loader thread (found in the third party section), maybe someone will link it for you (on my phone ATM).

Bouncing ball physics? Or you want to completely control it manually in LUA, its movements?

The PhysX Physics in GG are not that bad:



Requires modifications to the FPE properties to get the full bouncing effect.

@Teabone ..
I'm seriously thinking of locking this thread for the .... MOST ANNOYING SOUNDTRACK ...EVER !!!

????

This better be a very bad joke...

Ok this is really weird .... I played it again and its not the same ??
Trying to work this out ???

@Teabone ...
Did you change it ?

Spooks in the night .

Dave

Seriously it was some kind of Kiddies cartoon track ... Really annoying .. Teabone must have changed it.
I just checked my YouTube history just in case anything else played at the same time but all is good ..
There is a " Music ? " comment on You Tube so perhaps someone else found it weird as well

LOL I never heard it first time around but the music is quite good now I like it

Everyones hating on the muffin man song lol



You want a ball to bounce around to the beat of music?

THAT WAS IT !!
Your gonna have to put it back now to clear my name

woaw and thanks for all the reactions to a n00b like me xD



i dont see how to reply specifically to a post so sorry

the "bouncing ball , i have some prelim thing i'll use to teach myself the basics of lua" i have a vid here


[video=youtube]https://youtu.be/bDBRBZlUB5Y[/video]

im gonna try to make that into something demo-shiney -ish ... don't mind the channel, its an extension of the chaos in my head as everything that sprouts from me (lol)

the 'minor' savings on performance sound great, i mean, the place i do is like 100+ houses so the less calls and cycles the better but thats more like a nexus map leading to minimaps

im struggling with using lua too , not the code, but

well ...

i put a winzone on a house like here :



now if i use any other script than "winzone.lua" IN the original folder it won't trigger, i like to keep all files per game in one subfolder under /user which seems to work for all but the scripts ??!? i even tried copy pasting "winzone.lua" to "wwinzone".lua in the scriptbankfolder itself and that wont work either so does that mean i have to manually keep track of all scripts i use , write or modify per game or demo ? cos thats hella database for a force of chaos like me

i know a bit of code but ive never done THIS btw, it seems to help counter the brainrot though ... for lack of complete "texture the map from .png"

i

started from this :


used an online tool that lets you measure distances on google maps to get somewhat of a decent aspect ratio regarding to the real neighbourhood, modelled a wall that corresponds to about 2m40 (relative to the in-game character) and from there manually started digging up and down the map lol
the top is about 15 m from the bottom, the middle about ten

its far from there but it beats watching tv hahaha

this is where its at



but this is where i wanna start on lua (hence the demo ... using real-time strict calls combined with the physics engine should make for some interesting k-locks lol)

but since it doesnt really let me (and since i use copypasted originals to test im sure its not my syntax) pick what i want where i want i have been spending a lot of time cos it would be really handy if i could just keep it all in one folder with subfolders, then zip one zip to back it up

hoping someone's still watching here, i eagerly await .... great stuff guys, great stuff

If you change a LUA scripts file name you have to also change the function lines inside the actual code to match.

This link might be of some help
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=398177770

Also a winzone script won't work in a entity, it needs to be in a zone , the hints in the name

rudyardcatling: I also remember the c64 demo scene , and amiga ... i also made many demos myself , it was a great time. i remember the first time i got a sprite into the border of the c64 , wow i was high on that for at least 2 month

Not sure if it can be done using lua , perhaps if you make some perfect timing as you mention.

But i added beat detection from wav files to the latest GG Loader , so if you want to use GameGuru to design your level ( or demo ) and then convert it to AGK using GG Loader , you have beat detection , so you can get objects to react on music.

Everything in this video was made in GameGuru , and running in GG Loader:


But then again that would be AGK and not lua , but you still get to do all the design in GameGuru

I have been feeling rubbish the last couple of days with the flue ,that realy cheered me up.thank you Preben ,still chucking away now.

Dave

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@bojan0111

No need to shout .. This sounds like an old issue ?
What version of GameGuru are you using ?
The card is low spec but should just about run it ... 1391 passmark

Well i got a bit (maybe even a byte or dword) further but i'm far from the qubit leap here ... there's no actual intention other than familiarizing myself with GG specific lua while actually doing something with it, ive never been much of an RTFM guy, i prefer nosedive and see what happens

It wouldnt be just one ball bouncing to a 4/4 bass kick, i'm thinking sinoids like caterpillars and what not.

It strikes me, however that i can not find one single page that has ALL (prdon my fraps) GG-specific && usable commands in it... there's some in the docs which explain what math functions i can use (very necessary for sinewave movement and bouncing and what not) there's some here theres some there

theres a post on steam
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=398177770

but that doesnt scope all it has only GG-specific and i dont think it has all, there's one thread by "scenecommander" (i think) here on the lua section of the forums and then i found (so far) one that mentions the Panel(x,y,xsize%,ysize%) which i havent seen mentioned anywhere else, most definitely NOT in the docs that come with the program so i wonder what else i'm missing out on

I'll dump some vids when i do my weekly update for my channel (which is like just for me more like a diary) to show where i try to go with it as for now i seem to have one major problem with one sphere that refuses to not be spawned at start and another one falling straight through seven cubes from a y position of 9000 high, no bouncing off of anything

so my best guess there is (since i want the scene to 'unfold' i have one entity that positions all objects for the project once at start, then self-destructs) is that the actual collision boxes stay where i put the objects on scene (by hand) ... i just stack all objects i need in an area, like a storehouse lol. Then the one entity that has setscene.lua positions and scales (eventually rotates and moves everything on a timer into place) before the balls start falling

so now everyone is going i suppose but thats me im not mister Structure, but i actually am but i don't think i'll fit in a pipeline (L M A O o o 8-o)

for which i also can not find any decent documentation so i'm left to empirical study xD ... the one ball that has physics enabled will not drop after the initial (re-)positioning and so on ... but in the name of what can i do with lua it has been interesting and some of it applicable to the sandboxy game i'm trying to make , i hope those (what did they call themselves?) ageing 8bit coders don't give up on working on the engine yet xD

and also the lua scale command seems to only scale on x,y && z at once which makes it ... well ...
less versatile than it could be

and so and so ... and so ... maybe i should post the questions i'm left with to a new thread under the lua section but in the meantime all comments .. constructive, funny, helpful or not are ofcourse absolutely welcome ... i havent had focus like this in years ... if this keeps on i might actually start to enjoy myself again (hahah)

global.lua has all the current GG commands listed in it. Most are self explanatory but some have even got me scratching my head trying to figure out how to use them.

If you want to move entities around under script control AND have the physics engine in play then you have a bit of a problem, in order to move an entity to a specific x,y,z at specific (euler!) angles you first have to use the CollisionOff command, then move it, then issue the ColisionOn command. Unfortunately due to a bug in GG the CollisionOn command seems to override the original collision mode of the entity so for example a sphere ends up with a simple box collision shape. I have not found any workaround to this yet!