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Duchenkuke
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Posted: 27th May 2017 07:22 Edited at: 27th May 2017 07:24
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Hey guys, this is very important for me.

I know, the game is in it's early shoes but I felt like I had to add it now. Better sooner than later, because steam greenlight is gonna shutdown eventually.

I promise to NOT RUSH the game and give my best to represent the gg community with dignity.

This will be a long project and I would be glad, if you want to support my work.

Kind Regards, Duchenkuke
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Posted: 27th May 2017 09:31
Voted and happy to support someone making a public effort, especially somewhere as hostile as Steam. Good luck!
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Thank you I really apreciate it.
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Posted: 27th May 2017 13:31
Problems to clear up before you get torn apart on STEAM (they are particularly unkind to early adopters):

Edit the videos so that the Game Guru loader screen is not there or put your own HUNTED loader screen - dead giveaway which engine you used. The public can use that against you.

Edit out the message about no baked lightmaps - ditto

Change the stock sound effects for walking. Great squeaking sound effects for the bed, though. Have the fan spinning make a small amount of noise.

Add outside noises that you can barely hear from inside and get louder when you are outside. With all that forestry, you are bound to hear some animal and insect noises.

The rooms are not dirty enough. Real life is dirty. They are too sterile. They don't need to be a mess. Just not so clean.

Good luck with your game project. I hope it does well.

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Thank you Mike! Very useful tips and nice ideas. The only thing that is bothering me is the outdoor sound. I know this script ( realsound.lua) but I had my problems with it in the past. I'll see what I can do
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Posted: 27th May 2017 14:09 Edited at: 27th May 2017 14:11
Ment is spelt Meant btw

Just a thought though, why are you greenlighting? I thought that once you had one game greenlit you could direct publish, or am I reading that wrong?

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Posted: 27th May 2017 15:04 Edited at: 27th May 2017 15:04
Greenlighting is like crowdfunding or kickstarter - people pay ahead of time for early buggy releases knowing (but always forgetting) that the final release is coming in the far future.

I will not early release due to what I have personally seen done to game companies I have been involved with either by creating music and sound effects, programming or creating 3D models for. In every case, they were cut down and sales were miserable due to terrible reviews regardless of how good the game was.

People can be very mean.

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People on Steam can be entitled an are usually very ignorant about the work that actually goes into a videogame. There is also a relatively new trend where people judge themselves by their taste in the artwork/craft of others rather than by what they can achieve themselves. "Only the highest quality goods for meeee" Then there is the understandable side: Tons and tons of false promises, rip offs and terrible games being greenlit and gamers being fed up with it.

While there are many games on Steam that are either entirely made up of my 3D work or use a lot of it, I never sold or put something on Steam nor do I intend to. At least not through the abysmal greenlight model. However, the games I did spread on the internet where never perfect but I was always honest about them, thus the feedback I got was usually very positive. Like with cinema, there are gamers out there that know how games are made and can suspend their disbelief to the imperfect nature of indie/middlemarket games and then there are those that grew up with recent AAA releases and can't tone down their pedantism. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

However, Duchenkuke already has a game on steam...he knows the drill, I'm sure.



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Posted: 27th May 2017 18:04 Edited at: 27th May 2017 18:05
What I can say is that I am waaay more relaxed when it comes to hate comments. Last year I really struggled with them and It was painful for me at some point. But now I dont even have to delete hate comments and such^^

Putting Hunted 2 on greenlight was not planned. It was a very sudden decision.
For me there is nothing to loose here. When I get greenlit, I will take all the time this game needs. The first Hunted was rushed at some points.
But I supported it and enhanced it and did so many changes. Players who played it on day 1 would almost not recognize it now. I really did everything I could - after the release. Now I sort of know what I can expect. It will be a more smooth release, thats for sure.
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Follow your heart, it matters not what other people say.most of these people have done nothing so spend there time rubbishing other people's work.

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Quote: "People on Steam can be entitled an are usually very ignorant about the work that actually goes into a videogame. There is also a relatively new trend where people judge themselves by their taste in the artwork/craft of others rather than by what they can achieve themselves. "Only the highest quality goods for meeee" Then there is the understandable side: Tons and tons of false promises, rip offs and terrible games being greenlit and gamers being fed up with it.

While there are many games on Steam that are either entirely made up of my 3D work or use a lot of it, I never sold or put something on Steam nor do I intend to. At least not through the abysmal greenlight model. However, the games I did spread on the internet where never perfect but I was always honest about them, thus the feedback I got was usually very positive. Like with cinema, there are gamers out there that know how games are made and can suspend their disbelief to the imperfect nature of indie/middlemarket games and then there are those that grew up with recent AAA releases and can't tone down their pedantism. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

However, Duchenkuke already has a game on steam...he knows the drill, I'm sure.

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There is an old Austrian saying: "Man muss kein Meisterkoch sein um zu merken wenn ein Schnitzel angebrannt ist."
which translates to something like "One doesn't need to be a master chef to realize a roast is burnt."

When it comes to amateur games (I mean that, there are many independent developers and a legion of amateurs) I respect any appearant honest effort even if I get served a totally bland lukewarm stew.

But when I get served a twice-refrigerated/microwaved rotten can of dog food , I beome a wizard: subtle and quick to anger. That is why I don't review amateur games anymore.

But I can give the OP the same advice I always give when it comes to creating your own games.
Check your current work with the following easy steps:
- determin which genre your game is
- think of your favorite game of that genre
- ask yourself if your game looks anything like it
- if the answer is yes, you are good to go
- if no, ask yourself if you have done all you could to make your game look as good as the ones you like to play yourself
- if the answer is no, invest more time in developing your game
rince and repeat.

I am only talking about the looks of course, there is not much one can do about the shortcomings of the engine.
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Schnitzel is also schnitzel in english (:
I agree with you storyteller I believe both our points of view are equally true. However, I find it sad that you don't review our local games anymore...you used to have a certain flair to it.

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Thank you very much
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@World Class Multimedia

Quote: "Greenlighting is like crowdfunding or kickstarter - people pay ahead of time for early buggy releases"


No money changes hands, nor are you obligated to buy the end product, in fact, you aren't even notified to say that the game you voted for, has been Greenlit. It is purely a voting system. You click, Yes or No, to tell Steam, whether or not you would like to see it on Steam.

@Duchenkuke, I think a few of the major flaws of your game have already been pointed out, so, I won't cover the same points. I think, if you were to listen to the advice you have received and make a few changes, you could have a decent little game. I am assuming (potentially incorrectly) your game will be rather short? How fast can you speed run your entire game? If it's less than 30 minutes, you will need to think of a way of enticing players to play it again and really put effort into working on the 'replayability factor'. Maybe add some easter eggs or some collectables or even a leaderboard that people can challenge each other with; 'who can complete the game in the fastest time'?

My only critique (aside from what's already been mentioned) would be the female statue. Maybe have a few variants of that. Not just texture changes and with the lighting in your game, the player can only see a silhouette. Ask yourself, why would someone have that many of that exact same statue in their house? Unless they are a sculptor and are somehow, mass producing these to sell?

Keep up the good work.

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Jay, incorrect. As someone involved with several games on early release, I can safely tell you people spend money and then get to play the game early - before it is ready. Money is definitely spent.

Perhaps you are talking about something else?

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Maybe there is a little misunderstanding reagarding games being both in Greenlight and Early Access.

Steam Greenlight was introduced in 2012 and was met with positive reactions from most sides. The problems arose when Steam introduced Early Access shortly afterwards in 2013, because after a while people entered Greenlight with the intention to go directly into Early Access which lowered the bar of how developed the average Greenlight title was.

And while the combined potential of abuse started to give both Greenlight and Early Access a bad name, as a matter of fact, not every game that was in Greenlight became an Early Access game and not every Early Access game had previously entered Greenlight.

Personally I always had the strong opinion, that the combination of both on a single publishing platform is an invitation to scam-developers to go for the fast money grab without any serious risk, so I am more than happy that at least one of them is finally gone.
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In addition, I only see early access a valid option for giant multiplayer projects. Otherwise its just ... releasing a beta and charging for it.
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Quote: "Otherwise its just ... releasing a beta and charging for it."


Nope, it isn't. It's more releasing a pre-alpha and charging for it.

A Beta is feature complete in any definition used in game development. Most Early Access games are NOT. On the contrary, they provide a glimpse of what could be done and promise to add the features with the money earned during EA.
Most of them fail to do so in the end.
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Lol... there are so many statues because the player is "dreaming" in this sequence. It's a nightmare to be exact. Watch the full Video, you see the outcome there.

And no, this game is not going to be 30 minutes long.. xD

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I would be careful with the "dream" sequence.

This has much to often been (ab)used as an excuse to throw everything and the kitchen sink into a level without being accountable for logic, physics etc.

People have already gotten tired of the "dream" staple in films as well as in games so its getting less and less appreciated.
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Quote: "Nope, it isn't. It's more releasing a pre-alpha and charging for it."


Well...yes! I stand corrected.



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Quote: "People have already gotten tired of the "dream" staple in films as well as in games so its getting less and less appreciated."


As soon as they start I start hitting the space bar trying to end them,they drive me mad.

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@World Class Media,

Hi,

Yeah................... I'm going to go out on a limb and just outright tell you that you are completely wrong here.

Quote: "Greenlighting is like crowdfunding or kickstarter - people pay ahead of time for early buggy releases"


Greenlight is completely FREE to vote on. The end user doesn't PAY ANYTHING. It's purely a voting system. You say Yes or No and that's it. As I stated in my previous post, no money changes hands. In my time on Steam, I have voted for around 250 games in the Greenlight system. Trust me when I say, I haven't paid anything for any of them. some of the games I voted for have been lit and have even been released. I didn't even get a notification about it. You vote, that's it.



I agree, EA is different to this, but, that isn't what I was saying in my previous post. The conversation was regarding Steam Greenlight, not EA. Those are two completely different things.

That's enough from me, I won't hijack this thread anymore.

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I was referring to early release. I had no idea that greenlighting was something else - I thought they were one and the same. My bad.

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Actually EA is better than a kickstarter .... In my experience with Kickstarter you pledge and pay at the end of the 30 day campaign but get "Nothing" until the game is finished .... Quite often it doesn't even exist as its all on trust ...
I waited 2 years for "Elite Dangerous" , Still only have a buggy " Star Citizen" but not the single player game as promised 5 years ago along with "Lucana Passage" which I have seen nothing of since 2013 and a few others that never appeared at all
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HUNTED 2 has just been greenlit !!!!!!!!! AWESOME Thanks so much for your help guys !
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Thank you !
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DANKE haha bei mir gibts höchstens ne kostenfreie Apfelschorle^^
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HAHAHA war nur spass.
ich glaube das letzte bier habe ich vor einem jahr getrunken, im urlaub...
bin auch nicht so der biertrinker hahaha vielleicht im nächsten urlaub wieder
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Ich habe in meinem Leben EIN MAL ein Bier getrunken ^^ Und das war aus Versehen. Hatte es mit Apfelschorle verwechselt haha Ne, ich bin auch straighter nicht-trinker
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Ich vertrag kein Bier, aber sonst trink ich gern mal einen...vor allem gegen Abend nach dem essen.
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Danke Oh mann du kannst ja perfekt deutsch! Warum schreibe ich dann immer englisch mit dir ? hahaha
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think my eyes have gone funny
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^_^ Ööh, das war bisher noch nie Thema, denk ich mal

@Graphix: Nah, you're good. Its german. I know that in theory I have to enforce an only english policy on the general forums so everyone can follow but the thread has run its course with Hunted2 being greenlit. We where just talking about congratulations and ...drinking. Except that Duchenkuke only drinks Apfelschorle like a Hosenmatz so that went out the window right away ...tschuldige! Das musste jetzt sein.



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aahahaha Nice one wolf that was really funny
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Hosenmatz? HA HA HA never heard that before.
Now you can take all the time you need to finish your game... same me waiting for a bugfix... HA HA

Maybe I will rerelease an old 2003 game from me first, an old Shump
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Posted: 15th Jun 2017 08:45
lol
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AmenMoses
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Posted: 15th Jun 2017 08:55
Were you an extra in LOTR?
Been there, done that, got all the T-Shirts!
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Posted: 15th Jun 2017 13:05
Quote: "We where just talking about congratulations and ...drinking."


I no how the germans love a drink,i was based in osnabruck for three years in the early seventies . Great memories .

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Posted: 15th Jun 2017 13:29 Edited at: 15th Jun 2017 13:31
Quote: "I no how the germans love a drink,i was based in osnabruck for three years in the early seventies . Great memories .

Dave"


I spent some time at Alanbrooke (Paderborn) on assignment to the RGJ's (I was part of an AWOL Detection Unit, which was interesting because at the time you had to be an officer to arrest an officer so I was temporarily commissioned without actually graduating Sandhurst), and yes, Germans certainly can drink, but not as much as British squaddies can :p

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Posted: 15th Jun 2017 13:34
Quote: "I no how the germans love a drink,i was based in osnabruck for three years in the early seventies . Great memories ."


Thinking back it might have been the late seventies,how time flies.

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Looking good I came to vote but I see its done good luck
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Posted: 3rd Jul 2017 09:24
Yes ^^ Thank you
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