Okay I think this should be mentioned now before things get out of hand. Why are members of the early BETA community posting on Steam down-voting a product that has only been released today? You should be basing your feedback off the Game Guru project as it is today and not on its early BETA stages as Reloaded. You are not a valuable "community" member if your going to insult everyone with the word "fanboys".

Here is what I was reading today that ticked me off and trust me I have a lot I could say about how Reloaded has been during its early BETA stages but you got to realize the fact that the product only JUST released today. your contribution as an early BETA tester means you contribute to its development not slandering it throughout the process. I'd say these comments would be justified if they were solely based on the product released today and not on the early BETA releases.





I've said my share about Reloaded (GG) but these were all commented intended as criticism for the developers to take seriously. I'm not just out to insult people or harm a products reputation. That's not what being a member of a community is about. I've not read one bad post about GameGuru yet from the general public... only from past members of this community. I'm sure we'll see up and down reviews but let them happen by the public.

Don't call supportive people "fanboys".

Well said Teabone.

Couldn't agree with you more.

These types of people are everywhere. I guess all we can do is, let GameGuru do what it does best and let the community look after the community.

Cheers

Jay.

This sort of thing happens from time to time, and as free thinking people, we all have the right to our opinion.

Some are happy with the progress, some are not. But at the end of the day, it is the members of this forum that provide help and content for new forum member to use and learn from, as well as GameGuru Staff.

When allowed to take part in a beta program testing a non released engine, there are things that are expected to not work in the manner one wants it to. Nor in the time frame either. The point here is to presents ones knowledge and issues with grace and style , so it can be resolved, in a timely manner.

Feed back from the community is a must for developing GameGure for the masses. Their will be good and bad, But Mostly I hope that it will be positive, and every one can take that direction, to make GameGuru better for all.

So with that, I hope that the specified people will change there opinion or provide better criticism. That is also for everyone else. Thank you.

I think a lot of people get confused with the difference between backing a project and buying a product.

Personally, I will be withholding my review until future updates so that I can honestly assess post-release progression and communication. To do otherwise would be equally unfair, in my eyes.

As-is, I would not recommend the product because it is still a mess. This, however, is expected of EA releases. So, the best way to judge things is on actual progress in moving forward and not on goals and dreams. If TGC can demonstrate commitment to real solutions for problems at hand and basic things like meaningful change logs, then I will gladly give a thumbs-up review.

I am aware that there is still a long way to go, and this road is full of obstacles, there are roadblocks, but these stones can surround.
The only answer I can give TGC, and for me the only, is working hard as usual, and providing solutions to the problems that the product currently, in other words getting a stable product, and adding new functionality to the program.

I continue giving my vote of confidence to TGC and if that makes me a fanboy, well, I'm a fanboy.



I totally agree, and I can confirm that I have received much help from many members of this forum, and I thank them for it.


3com

I always new i was in realoaded (game guru) for the long haul,my only complaint is no definate feature timeline. Ie what comes next on the development list.Other than that i am very happy with the way things are developing and the money i have spent.

(we need a preview post button )

Dave

I can see where the issue lies. Tattie has been getting more and more disappointed for awhile now on lack of progress in the speed dept. As are many I imagine. His review is based on his entire time using the product, and the original price, which as you can remember was rather more than it is now. He may be feeling let down a little. The extra Steam keys are okay, but when it comes to the crunch no real use for people who aren't that interested in MP and as such no real bonus to make up for the price difference. Both Tattie and Loopylou obviously feel it is still not good enough, which is their opinion. If TGC were still asking pledger level money I would agree, but it is now bargain basement and hence a far more viable product.

I would have left it myself. I wish TGC every luck on Steam and hope it does alarmingly well. I think for the price, especially the offer one it is a great package and you will get your money's worth in no time. I think the price point will ensure most people don't complain too much overall. We may start seeing a busier forum as well! Got to be good? I think



Well, perhaps that is a little misleading. We are or have been buying the product, just because our badge says backer does not change that. I can see why some may be cheesed off at the new price point of course. Personally I think it is a great way to get Reloaded, sorry GG, to a large market, inject some much needed cash into the project and get it running faster!

If I have one major complaint about GG at the moment (beyond speed) it is the AI and overall quality of the characters. I can make great empty scenes now in the main, but having believable AI walking around that looks decent is not going to happen yet. Some characters look as if they need to go poop really desperately. To make anything that looks acceptable the characters are not up to scratch. In many ways, the zombies are actually worse than the earlier incarnations, and I didn't think that was possible. Unless they are all fixed with this version, which I doubt.

I will be giving GG a review soon I think, but it will be based on the product as it stands and not any earlier issues. For it's Steam price I think that it is a great product personally. Anyone seriously interested will probably research it a little anyway, so will find both good and bad things I am sure.

I just got home from work and haven't had a chance all day to see how things went. I opened GG and expected my "early release" key (from the MP testing) to have expired and to boot me out until I entered a new one. It didn't. Yet. Then I logged onto the forum here and this thread, of course, caught my eye! We all signed on as backers of the project, in anticipation of a product when it was complete. I think many, myself included, have become impatient with the progress at times, especially that long wait from August to just before Christmas, without any updates. I think that period was the worst. I still understand this is a beta project and would never NOT recommend it except for the fact that it is not finished. If someone has a game they need to get out, and it has to be out yesterday, then they should go somewhere else. They still likely won't meet their deadline, but this is not for them. I remember the little voting survey about "the easiest" game engine some time ago, and there were people from this forum then who knocked the product for being incomplete. Regardless of it being incomplete, it still is by far the easiest I've come across. I'm in no hurry to make a complete game, but then, that's me. We all have different needs and expectations. I guess I'm a "fanboy" too! LOL, I take no offense in being called that, even if it was meant to be. I do, finally, feel confident that it's far enough along that I may just start finally building an actual level. I've been quite reluctant to do that since early on.



The other day it looked as though they were lobbing grenades at me, but they had no grenades. They need some work, indeed!


Fanboy Don

The price the backers paid will give us more assets while the Steam price will not . All the stuff we get they will have to pay for . At least I think , right ?
I am semi pleased with the 'Guru' so far . We need more of the features from FSPC classic . I do miss the segments and the way you could 'build' structures and level up/down . And love those hole punches you could do ..
The engine's speed on my PC (60-80 fps) is good but on my favorite laptop (Dell Studio)with built in graphics card is bad (7-10 fps). The original FSPC ran really well on it . Overall I am pleased , so far with or without more included assets..........
Lance

I do completely agree with this statement. I'd like to see the ability to swim, raise and lower the water level in test mode, similar easy to use commands, AI teams (ally, neutral, enemy), decals, particle emitters, culling, the zombie AI was pretty decent and i could go on with this list but I'll save it for a rainy day lol



This would be very helpful. As well as a change log.

I should also clarify I have my own personal opinions about Game Guru and its direction and where its priorities, I feel, are not in the right place. But I won't be publicly publishing that review based on anything previous the steam release date. If the issues I feel are still with Game Guru into its development beyond this date then yah... the public will hear what I have to say. I've been flooding the features and bugs sections since the dawn of conception and I would really hope what I have to say is someday taken seriously. I really didn't want to support a game trying to replicate Mine Craft or Gary's Mod. I invested too much money over the past decade into TGC in general. I remember when I nagged and nagged for a terrain editing tool I was blown away to actually see it come to be. But there is so much more things I feel need focusing for us that are serious about game development and that arnt just trying to make a fun little map to play with our friends and family.

So I understand their frustration, we just don't share the same filter. I've been around the community for a long time wishing and dreaming for that one product I could use that would faithfully be produced by TGC, that i'd be able to finally make my dream game. We are getting close... just hope the focus remains within the realms of what I've been waiting all this time for.

this is EARLY ACCESS in a NUTSHELL - this is the way depelopers want to work, and you will always get the "unfinished" critism that goes with it.
Ive always had a hate for the early access/beta model, that every developer "has" to go with; It not stopped me backing what i like; but I am under no illusion its probably going to be unfinished rubbish; and buyer beware.
BUT so many consumers nowdays think they are getting the product early - knowing its beta, yet still want to complain its not finished enough.

SO. if developers want to release early - you WILL have to face the stupidity of consumers.

That does cut it in a nut sell. Early release can have its downfalls for the user and the developer. But as we are listening to what the community would like to see in GameGuru, we also have to hear the negatives.

At that point it is up to us to make the positives. Us the indie developer or hobbyist providing reasons why its needed, and the developer to find the way to implement it with out disabling the software completely.

All I can say is keep asking for features and we will keep writing them down and Prioritizing them by the amount of requests, and lets see where it goes. It only is going to happen if you keep requesting it.

Thanks for all the opinions and suggestions.

Unfortunately it's direct at me among other people.Do want to provide some one, with a free all round trip to a smack upside the head, for a deliberate troll attempt.But meh not worth the time and effort.

You have all kinds of people those who understand stand, and those who don't, I expected the bad mouthing and the bad reviews, right off the bat from people who have zero idea of what early access and what "beta" means. It boggles my mind, and oh well, shrug it off .